If Floyd avoids Martinez and fights Canelo.....

[crillz]

That's a nice really long post that means nothing. You started off with a failure concerning Pacman. I'll let you figure that out.

Most of the fighters you named were from lightweights to shot to hell fighters. LOL at Cintron. Cotto was a lightweight. Rhodes was the only decent win. Hardly championship material. Hatton? Gomez? Canelo has a contenders resume. If you're impressed by those names at the time he fought them, that's a shame.

there you go debunking fighters, I can do the same thing with Bradley going based off your logic

Joel Casamayor (shot)
Nate Campbell (shot)
Junior Witter (a good fighter but nothing more, barely survived him)
Edner Cherry (already had lost 5 times)
Kendall Holt (already been stopped by Torres, no chin etc)
Devon Alexander (inexperienced at that time, this version of Devon would do "this, this and that" to Bradley now)
Carlos Abregu (who?)
Lamont Peterson (the only good guy he beat and even Lamont isn't all that Khan just wasn't as good as they say)

see my point? see how I took Timothy "Desert Storm" Bradley's incredible undefeated record and reduced it to horse **** using your methods? ANYONE can do that, I can take Muhammed Ali's record and do that but we all know it's not valid

point is that he can sell that fight and make more $$$ off of it than Manny will make against Bradley and guess what? that is a FACTUAL statement, the numbers don't lie. if anything Canelo in his young years has more experience than Bradley does in the pro's having 10+ fights over him and having been involved in a REMATCH already against tough opposition, something Bradley has not done

[Light_Speed]

You kind of contradicted yourself twice (several posts) by saying that the reward would be too minimal .... so what does that have to do with legacy?

LOL that's what I'm saying, Martinez turned down Pirog because the fight doesn't make sense business wise. He's not chasing legacy, he's chasing $$$. But you still have dumbasses who think Floyd is the only one who does that.

[The Gambler1981]

No, because there's always alts and trolls, which people will quote and say, "See! No matter what he does he can't win! Poor Floyd!" Just like Wess, who has quotes from random people to try and make it look like everyone always pick against Floyd and don't give him credit when he wins.

I can't believe people are comparing the legitimacy of fighting Martinez and fighting Alvarez, as if they are close enough that it wouldn't matter which he picked. Anyone doing that has their head way too far up Floyd's ass and are saying it now because they expect Floyd to fight Alvarez. They're already preparing to defend him.

You think that is the reality? Sure there is some of that but you really think it is some sort of conspricy, please spare me.

There were people that picked against Floyd in all those fights, and were being truthful.

I see a lot of excuses coming from you for you to be complaining about excuse making and painting with an awful broad brush.

Martinez is a better fighter, but Oscar is a better fighter than Margarito we all see how that went~

[The Gambler1981]

Floyd isn't your son, you don't have to go so far out of your way to defend him.

That isn't defeding him that is what I have witnessed, I feel Floyd gets an unfair shake so I play that side.

Nothing more, fuck Floyd and the horse he rode in on I don't know him or care for any athlete on a personal level, the only thing Floyd has done for me personally is win me money on a consistent basis, most fighters fuck you at some point like B-Hop against Taylor but Floyd has never fucked me and I do appriciate that~ oh and the heat he draws always makes people want to bet against him ******ly.

[bojangles1987]

You think that is the reality? Sure there is some of that but you really think it is some sort of conspricy, please spare me.

There were people that picked against Floyd in all those fights, and were being truthful.

I see a lot of excuses coming from you for you to be complaining about excuse making and painting with an awful broad brush.

Martinez is a better fighter, but Oscar is a better fighter than Margarito we all see how that went~

There are people that pick against everyone in every fight. Doesn't mean the 90% that are picking Floyd to win easily should fawn over him and act like he proved people wrong just because a few people went against the grain and made the upset pick.

The reality is that the overwhelming majority of the boxing community wants to see Floyd fight Martinez rather than Alvarez, and if he chooses to fight Alvarez the overwhelming majority of the boxing community will be disappointed. Threads by morons(possible Floyd fans using alts?) saying Alvarez is the better fight to make doesn't change that or make it right.

It's a disgrace that the fanbases of the two most popular fighters in the sport pretend they would rather their fighter take the fight that offers the most money with the least challenge, rather than the fight that offers challenge.

[turbotime]

Both? Floyd is old and Martinez will not be next year?

Where did I say Martinez won't be old next year? he's old now

[The Gambler1981]

There are people that pick against everyone in every fight. Doesn't mean the 90% that are picking Floyd to win easily should fawn over him and act like he proved people wrong just because a few people went against the grain and made the upset pick.

The reality is that the overwhelming majority of the boxing community wants to see Floyd fight Martinez rather than Alvarez, and if he chooses to fight Alvarez the overwhelming majority of the boxing community will be disappointed. Threads by morons(possible Floyd fans using alts?) saying Alvarez was the better fight doesn't change that or make it right.

It's a disgrace that the fanbases of the two most popular fighters in the sport pretend they would rather their fighter take the fight that offers the most money with the least challenge, rather than the fight that offers challenge.

People should not act like the whole world thought he would win easily when people do pick against him and it is not a small group. The funny part about it is that the dudes that pick against him should show him at least a little something because he obviously proved something to them, but they normally do nothing of the sort and even if they do offer praise it is in a backhanded manner.

That is right here and now, you act like the world is not fluid and things will never change~ all it takes is one fight for the script to completely flip so talking about this in the here and now is just fantasy talk because 6 months from now when the fight could possibly take place the landscape can be totally different.

Floyd proved himself to me a long time ago and I enjoy watching him fight. I don't get twisted over fights I think need to happen and enjoy what actually takes place. Boxing invovles to much ****** shit for me to pine for the perfect, I accept the good, idealism is great but that is not being real~

[turbotime]

Name me 1 poster that you truly believe will say Floyd ducked Canelo if he fought Martinez.

Hugh_grant, check_hooks

[The Surgeon]

Its a great fight id love it next. However a Martinez fight is even better and would seal his greatness/legacy, he'd win it too. Fight Martinez....

[ADP02]

Here are two people using the complete opposite excuses!

One guy says Floyd is old while the other guy says Martinez will be young at 38. Which one is it?

They are both old.

Where did I say Martinez won't be old next year? he's old now

I was thinking about my question and totally missed you saying both are old (perhaps you did a late edit?)..... Anyhow it was confusing in itself due to your previous statements about Martinez ...

why?

So it will be an excuse for people to say that Martinez is old next year for you but you think he already is old. Cool story!



Presently, neither are too old .... but there will be a point where this fight will not mean much.