How far past it was De La Hoya vs Mayweather?

[jai mari078]

Oscar was well past his best. if you go back and watch fights earlier in his career, you would know this. I think his last best performance was against Vargas, and even than he wasn't primed. Vargas was just a straight ahead fighter and stood right in front of Oscar who was able to outbox him.

Oscar was prime at 147, he had one of the best jabs in boxing (it wasn't just a range finder it was very stiff and a heavy and a deadly left hook. As he moved up in weight he stopped throwing his jab as frequently. His jab is what he ised to set everything else up. He didn't move as well and had stamina issues.

I have always said prime Oscar beats Mayweather. He was more of a promoter at the time. Oscar's career was coming to an end and gave Floyd his first big money fight. Floyd had never done big numbers or made Oscar type money prior to that fight. Oscar esentially set Floyd up and passed the torch as far as PPV top seller.

Oscar brought boxing back into the mainstream and was able to cross over and attract the casual fan. No one since Tyson was able to draw the way Oscar did. He went on to start one of the biggest promotional companies in boxing, something Floyd has not been able to do. Maywetaher promotions is nothing comapred to Golden Boy, these are somem of the reasons Floyd has always resented Oscar so much. Floyd relies oh his 0 to claim his success, Oscar is successful without the 0, not to mention he gets the credit that Floyd has always wanted because win or lose Oscar always fought the best.

That's where Floyd doesnt get it. He thinks as long as he's undefeated, he's the greatest. When he would get more recognition and respect if he would have given the public the fights they wanted throughout his career and ended up losing a fight.

Marciano went undefeated and is he considered the greatest of all time?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Why do people think that fight was competitive?

[jai mari078]

I've always thought you needed a good crisp jab to beat Mayweather and Oscar had it. BUT he had a significant weight advantage given that Mayweather isn't even a big WW let a lone JMW so its a given that he would bully Mayweather around. Oscar also had a good track record against trash talkers.

I think the dynamic of the fight would've been very different had it been prime oscar(147) vs Mayweather -with Mayweather winning MORE decisively than their meeting at 154. .

Oscar's jab was nowhere near as good as it was at 147!!!! When he moved up in weight he stopped throwing it as frequently. If you go back and watch fights earlier in his career you will see significant difference in how often he threw it and how quickly he threw it. Prior to fighting Floyd, he had already stopped throwing it as frequently.

I think Oscar at 147 with his jab,speed, movement and left hook, not to mention he was a very good boxer beats Maywether

[jai mari078]

IMO he was not the Hoya of old,I would say he was about 70 to 80% when he fought Floyd..Floyd also had a lot of respect for Hoya(although he would like you to believe he did'int)as well as Shane..But that was Hoya's last go rd because it was at the end of his career anyway...

I would say you are pretty close saying he was 70% of what he was. I think it was maybe less than that. I see your a Floyd fan, but props to you for being objective.

We can all debate and disagree but being objective is respected

[Gino Ros]

Watched that fight again other day and he fought really well, was a very competitive fight and tbh, no one has come close since that fight to Floyd.

How far past it was he? To put into perspective, he was recently retired following a KO loss to Hopkins and the Mayweather fight was his 2nd in 3 years. 1 year later he was retired in humiliating fashion by Pacquiao.

So should that lead us to believe a prime De La Hoya takes Mayweather?

Delahoya was YOUNGER and MORE ACTIVE than Floyd was last week.

[Rome-By-Ko]

I would say you are pretty close saying he was 70% of what he was. I think it was maybe less than that. I see your a Floyd fan, but props to you for being objective.

We can all debate and disagree but being objective is respected

Funny thing is I'm not even a May fan like that,I respect his skills and enjoy him being crazy..But by no means am I a Floyd fan like that...But yes Hoya was not what he once was when he was fighting at 147lb..But he was still capable of beating many people at the weight at that time so Floyd should get credit for beating Hoya at that point..

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Delahoya was YOUNGER and MORE ACTIVE than Floyd was last week.

Meaningless statement.

[Gino Ros]

Meaningless statement.

Then why bring up Oscar's age and activity?

Oscar's age and activity level are mega-important to you...but Floyd's age and activity level are meaningless?

lol

Please go back to trolling GYG boxing.

[WESS]

Watched that fight again other day and he fought really well, was a very competitive fight and tbh, no one has come close since that fight to Floyd.

How far past it was he? To put into perspective, he was recently retired following a KO loss to Hopkins and the Mayweather fight was his 2nd in 3 years. 1 year later he was retired in humiliating fashion by Pacquiao.

So should that lead us to believe a prime De La Hoya takes Mayweather?

To put it into perspective, Hoya was considered a threat to Pac in December of 2008. Nearly a year and a half from fighting Mayweather and almost 2.5 years from coming off a KO victory of Mayorga. To put that into perspective, Hoya fought Mayweather after KO'ing Mayorga. How good is Mayorga? Well Cotto just fought him last year and people think Cotto has recovered and back on track. Is he? No Cotto was destroyed back when Margarito made him quit and has yet to recover. Mayorga was washed up when Cotto fought him, washed up when Hoya fought him. Does that make Hoya well past it? If he was past it, was he prime again vs Pac or where the Pactrerds not invented yet and Pac was unknown and not overly hyped at that point? Which made Hoya the favorite...

Problem is, people want to say Hoya was a threat to Pac yet not vs Floyd? Is Floyd really that great? What does that say about Pac? Hoya IMO was not prime but was still an elite fighter looking at other options than just fighting. Hoya was a great win for Mayweather at that time. Its the fight Mayweather took when he left Top Rank, instead of taking less money vs Cotto and Margarito.

Smart move on Mayweather, as Pac has exposed the fact that Bob steals money. Bottom line IMO, we didn't see the Hoya that SHOULD have beaten Trinidad vs Mayweather, but it was still a very very game Hoya unlike the one we witnessed vs Pac who by most (not me) was considered a threat then to Pac. We can't say he was a threat vs Pac and not a threat vs Mayweather 1.5 years earlier unless someone just bluntly states that Mayweather is in fact just a superior fighter to Pac?

[DLT]

He wasnt prime but he was nowhere near past it. He was the best at 154 and I wouldve picked him to beat prime guys like Cotto & Margarito. He had just decapitated Mayorga in 5 rounds when everyone was saying he was the toughest SOB and took the best shot in boxing. Mayorga was much bigger & supposedly stronger than Floyd