How far past it was De La Hoya vs Mayweather?

[Weebler I]

3-4 rounds but he comfortably went distance too

Don't disagree with that, Mayweather never hurt him at all, he pitty-pattied his way to victory but I never felt Oscar could get to him. Iirc I gave Oscar 2/3 rounds but it's been a long time since I watched the fight.

[4Corners]

I say he was about 5 years removed from his prime, and about 2-3 years removed from being "past prime-still good". I view how Oscar was against Floyd, in how Ali was against Norton in 76'. Past his prime, past being good, but still able to fight somewhat. Than, when Oscar fought Manny, it was very similar to when Ali fought Holmes....he was completely gone.

Lampley and the pro-oscar crowd factored into that fight being a SD Win for Floyd. I scored it 8-3-1 (117-112) Mayweather, and I was being generous to Oscar. Mayweather won pretty much every round after 7, and out punched Oscar by like 100 punches, while throwing way less. There's a clip of that fight, where Oscar has Floyd on the ropes, and attempts to pound his body with punches, and Lampey says "there it is! A sustained body attack from De La Hoya!!!"....those punches did nothing!!!! And they landed on Floyds upper part of his trunks on his side mostly. IT WAS HILARIOUS!!! Lampley sucks a$$$$$$$.

If I was completely being bias toward Floyd, I would have scored it 118-110, and if I was being completely generous for Oscar, I most likely would have scored it 116-112. Mayweather cruised most of that fight, and won rounds 8-12 easily.

Everytime oscar got Floyd on the ropes for about 0:20 a round, he would flurry with wild punches that would either completely miss, or land on Floyd's arms and shoulders....and the crowd would go nuts and so would Lampley. Meanwhile, the other 2:40 Floyd is peppering Oscar with counters and stright rights.

Wide UD for Floyd, in my opinion.

Floyd would UD Oscar, even when Oscar was in his prime at WW in the 90's. I like Oscar, he's an all-time great, but he's a bit overrated in boxing if you ask me. He beat a prime Hernandez, past prime Chavez twice, beat a past prime Whitaker, and lost to a prime Trinidad. Than he lost to Mosley, but Shane was on PED's. Then, he beat a latter-prime Gatti, and a decent Vargas. The Vargas fight was the end of Oscar's prime in my opinion. After his prime, when he was still good, he lost to Mosley again, beat a prime Sturm, and than lost to Hopkins. That was the end of Oscar being still good. Than he beat Mayorga, and lost to Mayweather, and got killed by Pacquiao.

He was an all-time great. He has wins over prime versions of Genaro Hernandez, Arturo Gatti, Fernando Vargas, and Felix Sturm. His wins over Julio Cesar Chavez and Pernell Whitaker are overrated though. It's like when Mayweather beat Gatti, De La Hoya, and Mosley. Or when Pacquiao beat Hatton, Cotto, Margarito, and Mosley. They weren't in their prime.

Floyd in his latter prime at WW (06-07) would win a UD vs. Oscar in his prime at WW (95-00).

[ballgamessuck]

I've always thought you needed a good crisp jab to beat Mayweather and Oscar had it. BUT he had a significant weight advantage given that Mayweather isn't even a big WW let a lone JMW so its a given that he would bully Mayweather around. Oscar also had a good track record against trash talkers.

I think the dynamic of the fight would've been very different had it been prime oscar(147) vs Mayweather -with Mayweather winning MORE decisively than their meeting at 154. .

If that is true, why did Floyd "retire" after Oscar agreed to the Floyd rematch at 147? Floyd thought he had Oscar bluffed, but Oscar called the bluff, Floyd went and hid. You are actually right, Floyd would have beaten him again, but Floyd wasnt sure of that so he had to settle for watching Paq destroy Oscar instead.

[jrosales13]

If that is true, why did Floyd "retire" after Oscar agreed to the Floyd rematch at 147? Floyd thought he had Oscar bluffed, but Oscar called the bluff, Floyd went and hid. You are actually right, Floyd would have beaten him again, but Floyd wasnt sure of that so he had to settle for watching Paq destroy Oscar instead.

Because, he didn't get the type of money that he wanted for an Oscar rematch. He thought he deserved more since he helped making the first event the best selling event of all time. And, he wasn't wrong by thinking that way either.

And, thank God Floyd didn't go for that rematch. What crappy, undeserving rematch that would have been.

And, Floyd never lacked confidence when it came to Oscar. That's why he had been calling him out since 03'.

[bojangles1987]

He was still top 5 in the division, but certainly not anything close to his best. Like JRosales said, he was on to his career as a promoter at that point.

[JoeyNumbers]

Prime Oscar was at 135-140 lbs. He had serious KO power at that weight. Oscar was never really that great at 147-154lbs. That being said, Floyd's victory over Oscar was so underwhelming at 154lbs, i'm gonna go with Oscar winning at 135-140lbs division.

[Clyde Barrow]

He wasn't horribly past it. The guy still put up a decent fight, far better than what he was supposed to be able to put up. But he was inactive and a part time fighter/full time promoter by that time. His name sustained, but not his fighting. It's a win PBF should get more respect for than he does because Oscar wasn't completely shot. But it's still just a good win not a great one. I'd say Oscar's prime ended after Mosley II when he tried jumping to 160.

[4Corners]

Prime Oscar was at 135-140 lbs. He had serious KO power at that weight. Oscar was never really that great at 147-154lbs. That being said, Floyd's victory over Oscar was so underwhelming at 154lbs, i'm gonna go with Oscar winning at 135-140lbs division.

You gotta remember though, 154 lbs was nowhere near a good weight for Floyd to fight at, as he's already a small Welterweight. At 130, Floyd would beat Oscar bad. I don't think anyone would have beaten Floyd at 130 (98-01). At 135, Floyd had good wins over latter prime Castillo and a prime N'dou. Castillo had success in the first fight against Floyd because he was able to cut the ring, and pound Floyd on the inside, and man handle him on the ropes. Oscar had the jab to affect Floyd and could have success on the inside, but I am not sure. At 135, I would say it's 50/50. At 140, Floyd really had a decent win over a past prime Gatti, but damn he was really good at 140 in 05'. Again, I say it's a 50/50 at that weight. At 147, Floyd's defense seemed tog et even more tight and harder to penetrate. It's probably because he lost a bit of speed in his legs once he got to 147, but his defense picked up. I would bet 100% of Floyd to UD Oscar at 147. And, at 154 Floyd should have won the UD, not a SD. That was a gift SD loss for Oscar if you ask me.

[IronDanHamza]

Well past it at that point.

It was stilll a decent win at the time. But decent win at best.

The Jr Middleweight Division was very weak at the time so Oscar was one of the better Jr Middleweight's. By default, so on that basis I consider it a decent win.

But Oscar was well well past it.

[Rome-By-Ko]

IMO he was not the Hoya of old,I would say he was about 70 to 80% when he fought Floyd..Floyd also had a lot of respect for Hoya(although he would like you to believe he did'int)as well as Shane..But that was Hoya's last go rd because it was at the end of his career anyway...