Comments Thread For: Atlas: Pacquiao Has a Tougher Fight Than Mayweather

[Hi-Dro]

Ortiz is inexperienced, quit against Maidana, and beat a vastly overhyped HBO fighter to get to Floyd. Berto had not even fought legit 147 pounders to get his spot in the rankings. He simply moved up as a result of the other fighters loosing to each other. Prior to Berto Ortiz was struggling to put an overwhelmed Peterson down, and looked gun shy down the stretch, as a result of peterson's counterpunching. Yet, Ortiz is supposed to be a challenge for Floyd? da ****k?

And Pac is facing a Marquez who many considered a tune-up, and bull**** fight for Floyd in 09. The difference is the history of course. The similarities however include the weight, which is 144, and the fact that both Mayweather, and Pac are comfortable at 147, whereas Marquez is not even close to his peak at 135. Nevertheless, he has dominated 135, yet no one knows what he can do beyond that. He looked bloated, and ****ty against Mayweather, so I expect the same, or something similar. Pac has his work cut out, nevertheless in two fights he has yet to figure Marquez out. Can he do it now? Stylistically, Marquez is a nightmare for Pac, as many presume he has Pac's number. Thus, the intriguing aspect of the fight, despite it being complete bull****.

[jvsnypes]

Mayweather and Manny will have a difficult time. Marquez just has a style that will always give Manny problems. Manny will beat you to death if you stand in front of him and have no defense. But if you give him angles and counter him, it will give him nightmares. I just don't think Marquez will be able to keep Manny off of him for 12 rounds at this weight. But, it will be exciting while it lasts. I still think Floyd and Ortiz will be a toss up. Floyd's age and inactivity will be a factor. If Ortiz comes in as motivated as he was against Berto, it will be a long night for Floyd. But, I think Floyd is mentally stronger and more experienced. If he takes his time and fight smart, I think he can discourage Ortiz and break him down physically and mentally.

[Rolaz]

The last time that Pacman fought a Mexican warrior was Margs and Margs ended up in Hospital with broken eye socket!

Pacman as Welterweight, today, is totally different compared to Pacman that Marquez has fought in Featherweight and Jr Lightweight Divisions.

If Marquez will fight Pacman toe to toe, he'll get shot, and I won't be surprise if Pacman wins by KO. Marquez been downed 4 times in the past.

[iNDOLiFER]

The extra weight on JMM will slow him , a counter puncher , if he trys to be faster he will give too much away in strength and power ,,, how can the weight be factor less , thats bull**** , Roach did not force this weight for no reason !

i thought it was marquez who offer to fight pacman at this weight.................

[skillswin]

i thought it was marquez who offer to fight pacman at this weight.................

marquez wanted 140... use the internet cafe a little more

[iNDOLiFER]

marquez wanted 140... use the internet cafe a little more

and the fight is at 144 correct? is 4lbs really that big of a difference?

[tatangb45]

I must support Larry's position. Oscar made a huge training mistake, I think he actually was a couple of lbs LOWER than what was required and overdid it so much that his system was not able to absorb proper rehydration. There were many stories about the IV marks on Oscar's arms. don't know how true it all is but he definitely came in much, much lower than I think even HE expected.

It was bound to lose him any fight where he might have had a chance to win.

Dlh was definitely more active against Pac in the first five rounds than he was against Floyd. This could put some doubts as to whether he was really drained as most people thought he was. He must have figured that weighing less would make him more mobile and his chances of connecting would increase if he threw more. Obviously, that didn't work, Pac turned out to be very elusive. After the fifth round, DLH's punch rate was reduced from 60/round to 42 in the sixth, 24 in the seventh and 35 in the eight.

As was earlier noted, DLH threw an average of 46/rd. in the first seven rounds against Floyd, compared to 60/rd. in the first 5 rounds against Pac.

[WESS]

Even though I really don't want to have any more "argy-bargy" with you, especially over a non issue that no one sees but you, I just have to tell you a little secret about ARIZA.

Since YOU brought him up, I SHOULD let you know that ARIZA is actually a very vital part of Manny Pacquiao's team, and is primarily responsible for getting and keeping him in the top condition he has been in for the past few years. I wouldn't tell anybody else, only YOU.

And another little thing. I would bet you everything you have in REAL money, that all the Pacquiao team are pretty sure that he is going to win, either tough or easy, but he is going to win.

I can't blame them, He pays their salaries, and feeds their families, and contributes to their secure old age. And.....MAYBE......they like him. AND...maybe they believe he WILL win.

ME...... I COULDN'T ARE LESS. I don't depend on him or Mayweather for my funds. As long as it's a good fight. Now go to sleep like a good kid.

.........and you're still a ****ing ****** by thinking JMM (the LW Champion) will be effective at WW "this time" because he's systenfically ready. lol Do you not remember the shyt people gave Floyd by fighting JMM 2 years ago at WW???????????? Now Pac's fighting JMM at the same weight?

What proof do you have that displays JMM will be ANY different "this time"? Last time I checked he was schooled by Floyd and then returned back to LW, NOT WW you ****ing ******.....

lol JMM has never looked great above 135 and its clear as day why Roach wanted this fight at 144 lbs... weight is a huge deal with Team Pac, we all witnessed when they demanded to fight Cotto at a CW for Cotto's title.

and btw if YOU couldn't care any less than STFU and accept the FACT that Pac is fighting a Champion for the first time in YEARS! The problem is, its a ****ing LW who has PROVEN to be shyt at WW.... and if they are the same weight there would have been NO PROBLEM to have the fight at LW or even JWW.... no Team Pac needs to have him looking like the Mayweather fight and 2 years of age added.

NOW carry on....

[WESS]

Dlh was definitely more active against Pac in the first five rounds than he was against Floyd. This could put some doubts as to whether he was really drained as most people thought he was. He must have figured that weighing less would make him more mobile and his chances of connecting would increase if he threw more. Obviously, that didn't work, Pac turned out to be very elusive. After the fifth round, DLH's punch rate was reduced from 60/round to 42 in the sixth, 24 in the seventh and 35 in the eight.

As was earlier noted, DLH threw an average of 46/rd. in the first seven rounds against Floyd, compared to 60/rd. in the first 5 rounds against Pac.

Because Mayweather is a counter puncher. Different style. Roach has already stated that if Pac fights Mayweather even he (pac) wouldn't even throw as much because Mayweather's counter punching abilities and WE ALL know how tough counter punchers are for the Pac. Roach knows his shyt, he trained DLH to fight Mayweather.

You're a ****ing ****** who doesn't know shyt if you think Hoya wasn't drained for that fight. His own fault but that STILL doesn't change the fact that he wasn't the same effective fighter at 154 that Mayweather fought. Even so that some ****ing idiots attempt to say Hoya was shot before Mayweather even fought him.... What the hell was he when Pac fought him then? lol Same goes for Mosley....

Was I the only one betting on Pac to BLOW DLH out of the water? Was the I only one who knew Hatton was mentally ****ed and would be destroyed by Pac to the point that people would think he (pac) could beat Mayweather just because Pac beat a mentally destroyed Hatton?

[WESS]

and the fight is at 144 correct? is 4lbs really that big of a difference?

Ask Cotto?

Was those 2 pounds really THAT big of a deal for Pac to demand a CW since Pac DID IN FACT win a fight at 147 before vs De La Hoya?

Difference is, JMM has NEVER ever ever won a fight at WW or even 144.

There is a reason Pac wanted this fight where its at. Its funny Pac is finally fighting a Champion but its a LW Champion....

When's the last time Pac fought a REAL Champion? Cotto, who won a vacant title from a a bum after being smashed by Margarito??????? lol

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn 187 murder.