Comments Thread For: Mayweather Wants Legit Loss, Not Tainted With Steroids

[F l i c k e r]

Where's your proof of this? Pac will see you in court, hope you're ready.

lol, I ain't scurred. I'll see him in court and call him roidiao to his face.

[jayhova29]

[QUOTE=mrlopez;10766032]i didnt bother responding to the rest of your book cause its a bunch of accusations son....

i'll await your response as well


oh and by the way, i'm for testing, just not accusation and assumptions cause we all know what assuming does...[/

Well if a person initially refuses additional testing, that's gonna open up the door for accusations and assumptions.

[tangalog2200]

its a contract clause bro, calm down....

its no different than fighters requiring fighters to fight at certain weights, wear certain gloves, come to the ring first, etc. etc.

if pac doesn't want to take the tests, then we get no fight. simple as that.

the issue is.... WHY wouldn't he be willing to take the tests?

we have to go out of the testing box to figure out what is really going on in here....

the fight or argument is not only about the test....

it is also about one trying to impose his will over another...

it is also about pride, principles and other mind games they play..

it is also upholding established norms, laws and rules...the court case is....

it is also maybe about one trying to get more elbow time to prepare for the bout....not sure though....or just money grabbing ventures b4 going back to dreamland

it is maybe also about raising the money bar.....

[F l i c k e r]

we have to go out of the testing box to figure out what is really going on in here....

the fight or argument is not only about the test....

it is also about one trying to impose his will over another...

it is also about pride, principles and other mind games they play..

it is also upholding established norms, laws and rules...the court case is....

it is also maybe about one trying to get more elbow time to prepare for the bout....not sure though....or just money grabbing ventures b4 going back to dreamland

it is maybe also about raising the money bar.....

No it's not. That's just what you made up to try to rationalize the situation.

Floyd wanted OSTs. Pacquiao said no. Any ATHLETE refusing drug tests is a shady character.

[jayhova29]

Its because you are not a real fan that you think its a "hunch". In boxing, there are a few things that one can be certain of. Going up in weight and losing speed and power are two of them.

Pacquiao was no phenom before he came to America and met Freddie Roach, who has a sorted past of training boxing like James Toney who was caught using steroids under his guidance. Pacquiao was a pretty good boxer under Roach, but once he fought Barrera, all of a sudden he began knocking out bigger guys who are known for power.

Some said Roach taught him something "new" to help him accomplish that. That's laughable. And what's more is that once the time table for one of Pacquiao's fights got messed up and Pac had to donate blood in the middle of training, THAT happened to be the fight he lost. In the rematch, where no extra blood needed to be donated without notice, Pacquiao blew passed Morales.

Pacquiao, unlike nearly EVERY OTHER GREAT in history who has moved up in weight, has gotten stronger, more powerful and faster. That requires a "hunch"? That kind of accusation is baseless when Pacquiao is defying the science of boxing which has existed for over 100 years?

And what's worse, is that *******s who constantly claim that Pacquiao is "too small" for WW or jr MW despite him being 2" shorter than Mayweather and Mosley, don't see anything wrong or su****ious about the "too small" idol's increase in power and speed after coming up to 147.

Mayweather was KO'ing guys when he was at smaller weights. Mosley was as well as his best weight ever was lightweight. As they moved up, their KO rate naturally dropped because the extra weight slowed them down and therefore diminished their power. Mosley had to use PEDs when moving up because he knew that the move in weight had sacrificed his power, and he's a power boxer.

So when you begin saying ****** ****t like "there's no evidence", keep in mind that Mosley was NEVER caught because there was no evidence. Mosley passed all of his tests. Mosley would have gotten away with it had his name not been on a list.

So when you say that there is no evidence, you mean that there has been no proof under the weak testing standards of state athletic commissions, and THAT'S exactly why the USADA tests were such a big issue for the Pacquiao camp for the last 2 years. Who refuses drug tests unless they are guilty? Holyfield took them when Tyson asked him to because his body completely changed since coming up from cruiserweight. Evander didn't whine like a little stuttering bittch and start singing "Sometimes when we touch" when the question of random blood tests came up.

And now *******s are going around saying that Manny agreed to random USADA tests up until the day because of some YouTube clip. If Manny is willing to test, SIGN THE FCUKING CONTRACT!!! Manny is NOT his own man. He can't sign the contract unless Daddy Arum gives him permission. The offer has been out there for 2 years ... and the message has been clear:

"TAKE THE TESTS AND WE HAVE A FIGHT. DON'T TAKE THE TESTS AND THERE IS NO FIGHT."

Who the fcuk has been holding up the fight? It took Manny Pacquiao 2 years to mumble something under his breath in a YouTube clip that is being construed as consent to random blood tests? *******s are that special kind of ****** that allows them to continue to hoop and holler.

Mayweather has every right to suspect a guy who has been knocked out by C & D fighters and outboxed by a Morales, who is himself a B-/C+ fighter, and then moves up to impose his will on bigger, stronger and more powerful boxers. If every other boxer was immediately willing to take the USADA random tests, why was it ONLY Pacquiao that kept trying to push for a cutoff, change the types of tests administered, and fought the randomness of the tests? And Pacquiao fought it consistently for 2 fcuking years!

Pac is wack. He's Roach's last hurrah before Roach can't even train anymore. Roach probably feels as though he doesn't give a fcuk anymore because he knows that its the end for him. So let Pac do whatever he needs to do to be hailed as Roach's last special protege.

Problem is .. even without the the PEDs allegations, Pacquiao has used 5 vacant belts to make his case as a multi division champion. He's been knocked out by club fighters. And Pacquiao has stipulated catchweights in a division he COULD MAKE THE WEIGHT, meaning he used the catchweights to weaken his competition. Then if that wasn't disgraceful enough, Pacquiao had Arum grease palms to get his stablemate Margarito, who was banned in all 50 states at the time when they fought, to fight for yet another vacant belt instead of fighting the man who actually won it: Sergio Martinez.

PED's are Pacquiao's last worry. The funny thing is that people will be watching how well Pacquiao does against Marquez. Marquez clearly has Pac's number skill-wise. So if Pacquiao blows passed Marquez, people will know that something is amiss. Pacquiao has NOT improved skill-wise. If anything he's gotten worse as he relies heavily on KO power these days. If he goes in and just flattens Marquez despite Marquez being the superior boxer, lots of questions will be answered and even more rumors will start.

I couldn't of said it better himself. The writing was on the wall when he walked away from the only legitimate negotiation they had.

[Carpe Diem]

lol, I ain't scurred. I'll see him in court and call him roidiao to his face.

Pac will take everything that you owned and left you homeless.

[tatangb45]

Its because you are not a real fan that you think its a "hunch". In boxing, there are a few things that one can be certain of. Going up in weight and losing speed and power are two of them.

Pacquiao was no phenom before he came to America and met Freddie Roach, who has a sorted past of training boxing like James Toney who was caught using steroids under his guidance. Pacquiao was a pretty good boxer under Roach, but once he fought Barrera, all of a sudden he began knocking out bigger guys who are known for power.

Some said Roach taught him something "new" to help him accomplish that. That's laughable. And what's more is that once the time table for one of Pacquiao's fights got messed up and Pac had to donate blood in the middle of training, THAT happened to be the fight he lost. In the rematch, where no extra blood needed to be donated without notice, Pacquiao blew passed Morales.

Pacquiao, unlike nearly EVERY OTHER GREAT in history who has moved up in weight, has gotten stronger, more powerful and faster. That requires a "hunch"? That kind of accusation is baseless when Pacquiao is defying the science of boxing which has existed for over 100 years?

And what's worse, is that *******s who constantly claim that Pacquiao is "too small" for WW or jr MW despite him being 2" shorter than Mayweather and Mosley, don't see anything wrong or su****ious about the "too small" idol's increase in power and speed after coming up to 147.

Mayweather was KO'ing guys when he was at smaller weights. Mosley was as well as his best weight ever was lightweight. As they moved up, their KO rate naturally dropped because the extra weight slowed them down and therefore diminished their power. Mosley had to use PEDs when moving up because he knew that the move in weight had sacrificed his power, and he's a power boxer.

So when you begin saying ****** ****t like "there's no evidence", keep in mind that Mosley was NEVER caught because there was no evidence. Mosley passed all of his tests. Mosley would have gotten away with it had his name not been on a list.

So when you say that there is no evidence, you mean that there has been no proof under the weak testing standards of state athletic commissions, and THAT'S exactly why the USADA tests were such a big issue for the Pacquiao camp for the last 2 years. Who refuses drug tests unless they are guilty? Holyfield took them when Tyson asked him to because his body completely changed since coming up from cruiserweight. Evander didn't whine like a little stuttering bittch and start singing "Sometimes when we touch" when the question of random blood tests came up.

And now *******s are going around saying that Manny agreed to random USADA tests up until the day because of some YouTube clip. If Manny is willing to test, SIGN THE FCUKING CONTRACT!!! Manny is NOT his own man. He can't sign the contract unless Daddy Arum gives him permission. The offer has been out there for 2 years ... and the message has been clear:

"TAKE THE TESTS AND WE HAVE A FIGHT. DON'T TAKE THE TESTS AND THERE IS NO FIGHT."

Who the fcuk has been holding up the fight? It took Manny Pacquiao 2 years to mumble something under his breath in a YouTube clip that is being construed as consent to random blood tests? *******s are that special kind of ****** that allows them to continue to hoop and holler.

Mayweather has every right to suspect a guy who has been knocked out by C & D fighters and outboxed by a Morales, who is himself a B-/C+ fighter, and then moves up to impose his will on bigger, stronger and more powerful boxers. If every other boxer was immediately willing to take the USADA random tests, why was it ONLY Pacquiao that kept trying to push for a cutoff, change the types of tests administered, and fought the randomness of the tests? And Pacquiao fought it consistently for 2 fcuking years!

Pac is wack. He's Roach's last hurrah before Roach can't even train anymore. Roach probably feels as though he doesn't give a fcuk anymore because he knows that its the end for him. So let Pac do whatever he needs to do to be hailed as Roach's last special protege.

Problem is .. even without the the PEDs allegations, Pacquiao has used 5 vacant belts to make his case as a multi division champion. He's been knocked out by club fighters. And Pacquiao has stipulated catchweights in a division he COULD MAKE THE WEIGHT, meaning he used the catchweights to weaken his competition. Then if that wasn't disgraceful enough, Pacquiao had Arum grease palms to get his stablemate Margarito, who was banned in all 50 states at the time when they fought, to fight for yet another vacant belt instead of fighting the man who actually won it: Sergio Martinez.

PED's are Pacquiao's last worry. The funny thing is that people will be watching how well Pacquiao does against Marquez. Marquez clearly has Pac's number skill-wise. So if Pacquiao blows passed Marquez, people will know that something is amiss. Pacquiao has NOT improved skill-wise. If anything he's gotten worse as he relies heavily on KO power these days. If he goes in and just flattens Marquez despite Marquez being the superior boxer, lots of questions will be answered and even more rumors will start.

Do you realize that you just confirmed why Pac used to have an aversion to blood extraction close the fight? You wrote that Pac lost the fight to Morales in the first fight because of the sudden blood test. He tested clean, right? It was a sudden request where he was not given any warning, right? He lost the fight, right? See the connection?

[LeadUppercut]

but then the questions comes as follows;;;

why is it that only pac's camp can "carefully manufacture" resume????

are fighters who are "clearly made to order" as you called them do not have the time to adopt, train and prepare strategies.....

how come we have upsets in boxing???

does pac losing a fight or two means all that he had accomplished go to the waste bin?

Cherry-picking is as common as dog****.

Danny Green is currently doing the exact same thing.

The point is, Danny will not be lauded as the P4P #1, but Manny will be

[jayhova29]

LMAO

who is that in your avatar, dammmmmmmmmmm

[spoonwars]

So if Mayweather happens to lose he wants it to be by a clean fighter. And the problem people have with this is?

People say Manny has agreed to take the tests, so no excuses once these two get done with their upcoming fights.

there are already tests. the blood test's bs unless done 24/7 365. mayweather-mosley had a cut off date of 18 days until the fight