Comments Thread For: Mayweather Wants Legit Loss, Not Tainted With Steroids

[tatangb45]

Got Damn!! HOW many idiots do we have on this forum, does Pacquiao just simply attract fans with low IQ's?

Calm down, genius.

[Brother Jay]

it would be foolish to analogize the pacquiao "steroid scandal" (laughs) with Barry Bonds, whereupon preponderance of the evidence points to some kind of illegal PED use. There is simply NOTHING aside from your "personal hunch" to show that Manny has ever used steroids! lol a youtube video made by some angry, pissed off kid who is venting personal anger and frustrations is not "evidence".

Its because you are not a real fan that you think its a "hunch". In boxing, there are a few things that one can be certain of. Going up in weight and losing speed and power are two of them.

Pacquiao was no phenom before he came to America and met Freddie Roach, who has a sorted past of training boxing like James Toney who was caught using steroids under his guidance. Pacquiao was a pretty good boxer under Roach, but once he fought Barrera, all of a sudden he began knocking out bigger guys who are known for power.

Some said Roach taught him something "new" to help him accomplish that. That's laughable. And what's more is that once the time table for one of Pacquiao's fights got messed up and Pac had to donate blood in the middle of training, THAT happened to be the fight he lost. In the rematch, where no extra blood needed to be donated without notice, Pacquiao blew passed Morales.

Pacquiao, unlike nearly EVERY OTHER GREAT in history who has moved up in weight, has gotten stronger, more powerful and faster. That requires a "hunch"? That kind of accusation is baseless when Pacquiao is defying the science of boxing which has existed for over 100 years?

And what's worse, is that *******s who constantly claim that Pacquiao is "too small" for WW or jr MW despite him being 2" shorter than Mayweather and Mosley, don't see anything wrong or su****ious about the "too small" idol's increase in power and speed after coming up to 147.

Mayweather was KO'ing guys when he was at smaller weights. Mosley was as well as his best weight ever was lightweight. As they moved up, their KO rate naturally dropped because the extra weight slowed them down and therefore diminished their power. Mosley had to use PEDs when moving up because he knew that the move in weight had sacrificed his power, and he's a power boxer.

So when you begin saying ****** ****t like "there's no evidence", keep in mind that Mosley was NEVER caught because there was no evidence. Mosley passed all of his tests. Mosley would have gotten away with it had his name not been on a list.

So when you say that there is no evidence, you mean that there has been no proof under the weak testing standards of state athletic commissions, and THAT'S exactly why the USADA tests were such a big issue for the Pacquiao camp for the last 2 years. Who refuses drug tests unless they are guilty? Holyfield took them when Tyson asked him to because his body completely changed since coming up from cruiserweight. Evander didn't whine like a little stuttering bittch and start singing "Sometimes when we touch" when the question of random blood tests came up.

And now *******s are going around saying that Manny agreed to random USADA tests up until the day because of some YouTube clip. If Manny is willing to test, SIGN THE FCUKING CONTRACT!!! Manny is NOT his own man. He can't sign the contract unless Daddy Arum gives him permission. The offer has been out there for 2 years ... and the message has been clear:

"TAKE THE TESTS AND WE HAVE A FIGHT. DON'T TAKE THE TESTS AND THERE IS NO FIGHT."

Who the fcuk has been holding up the fight? It took Manny Pacquiao 2 years to mumble something under his breath in a YouTube clip that is being construed as consent to random blood tests? *******s are that special kind of ****** that allows them to continue to hoop and holler.

Mayweather has every right to suspect a guy who has been knocked out by C & D fighters and outboxed by a Morales, who is himself a B-/C+ fighter, and then moves up to impose his will on bigger, stronger and more powerful boxers. If every other boxer was immediately willing to take the USADA random tests, why was it ONLY Pacquiao that kept trying to push for a cutoff, change the types of tests administered, and fought the randomness of the tests? And Pacquiao fought it consistently for 2 fcuking years!

Pac is wack. He's Roach's last hurrah before Roach can't even train anymore. Roach probably feels as though he doesn't give a fcuk anymore because he knows that its the end for him. So let Pac do whatever he needs to do to be hailed as Roach's last special protege.

Problem is .. even without the the PEDs allegations, Pacquiao has used 5 vacant belts to make his case as a multi division champion. He's been knocked out by club fighters. And Pacquiao has stipulated catchweights in a division he COULD MAKE THE WEIGHT, meaning he used the catchweights to weaken his competition. Then if that wasn't disgraceful enough, Pacquiao had Arum grease palms to get his stablemate Margarito, who was banned in all 50 states at the time when they fought, to fight for yet another vacant belt instead of fighting the man who actually won it: Sergio Martinez.

PED's are Pacquiao's last worry. The funny thing is that people will be watching how well Pacquiao does against Marquez. Marquez clearly has Pac's number skill-wise. So if Pacquiao blows passed Marquez, people will know that something is amiss. Pacquiao has NOT improved skill-wise. If anything he's gotten worse as he relies heavily on KO power these days. If he goes in and just flattens Marquez despite Marquez being the superior boxer, lots of questions will be answered and even more rumors will start.

[mrlopez]

Its pretty sad that today we have fans against an athlete wanting a clean fight so that win or lose there wont be any excuses.

since when has either of them tested positive for any type of drugs? last i checked neither of them have. why the need for it now? fmj never complained or had issues with the NSAC before regarding testing right? Were these same posters and everyone else that suspect pac of using peds saying any of this before Mayweather brought this up?

as i've said before, i'm for testing for BOXING as a whole, and the commissions should be implementing these regulations......

i'll await your response.

[mrlopez]

Pacquiao was no phenom before he came to America and met Freddie Roach, who has a sorted past of training boxing like James Toney who was caught using steroids under his guidance. Pacquiao was a pretty good boxer under Roach, but once he fought Barrera, all of a sudden he began knocking out bigger guys who are known for power.

other than hatton who was ktfo, and maybe cotto and i say maybe because the ref stopped the fight, what other "bigger guys" has he knocked out?

Some said Roach taught him something "new" to help him accomplish that. That's laughable. And what's more is that once the time table for one of Pacquiao's fights got messed up and Pac had to donate blood in the middle of training, THAT happened to be the fight he lost. In the rematch, where no extra blood needed to be donated without notice, Pacquiao blew passed Morales.

and whats your point? they went back and forth in the 1st fight, he changed his tactics a lil bit and did what most thought he'd do and beat morales...

Pacquiao, unlike nearly EVERY OTHER GREAT in history who has moved up in weight, has gotten stronger, more powerful and faster. That requires a "hunch"? That kind of accusation is baseless when Pacquiao is defying the science of boxing which has existed for over 100 years?

[B]how has he gotten stronger, explain that to me? he's always been fast so please explain to me how he's gotten faster[B]

i didnt bother responding to the rest of your book cause its a bunch of accusations son....

i'll await your response as well


oh and by the way, i'm for testing, just not accusation and assumptions cause we all know what assuming does...

[tatangb45]

This thread has gone all over the place with some getting almost hysterical and/or irrational.
The basic premise of the ts is; Floyd wants a fight with Pac that is not not tainted with steroids. The commission clearly stated that a fighter who takes long vacations between fights is harder to monitor on whether he is using PEDS than one who fights regularly because this fighter is tested more often.
Therefore, the type of testing that Floyd wants has a big loophole for Floyd. He can cycle during his vacations. OST is whole year round, not six weeks before the fight. Pac, if he takes the test, would be better tested because he is tested more often.
Conclusion: Floyd's type of testing will not guarantee a steroid free fight. In fact, it will give Floyd a better chance to cheat than Pac.
It is that simple. No amount of insults or evasions can dispute that. Even a "dimwit" should understand that.

[F l i c k e r]

Duh. Pacquiao does steroids and Floyd doesn't want to lose his 0 to an illegitimate opponent.

[Carpe Diem]

Duh. Pacquiao does steroids and Floyd doesn't want to lose his 0 to an illegitimate opponent.

Where's your proof of this? Pac will see you in court, hope you're ready.

[littlemac]

since when has either of them tested positive for any type of drugs? last i checked neither of them have. why the need for it now? fmj never complained or had issues with the NSAC before regarding testing right? Were these same posters and everyone else that suspect pac of using peds saying any of this before Mayweather brought this up?

as i've said before, i'm for testing for BOXING as a whole, and the commissions should be implementing these regulations......

i'll await your response.

Neither has Mosley lol........

LOL....am still waiting for someone to responds to me why anyone would be against a fighter wanting to insure a fair fight for him and his opponents so that win or lose there will be no excuses.

How would this be bad for the fighters and for the sport?

[| THE KING |]

From what I got out of this is that Floyd knows his '0' may go..

[Carpe Diem]

From what I got out of this is that Floyd knows his '0' may go..

It certainly may go. But we'll never find out until Manny agree fully, not halfway through.