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    #41
    Originally posted by NutsInTheyFace View Post
    LOL at Froch's chin being "OK to average at best"
    Iron Chin: A Prime Baldomir and Margarito. Or I'll take you way back Gorilla Jones had an IRON chin.

    Okay to Average: Carl Froch and guys like Ortiz.

    Guys who get rocked over and over and be buzzed yet dont get put to sleep. The iron chin tag getting given out so much kinda bugs me thats all.

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      #42
      Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
      Iron Chin: A Prime Baldomir and Margarito. Or I'll take you way back Gorilla Jones had an IRON chin.

      Okay to Average: Carl Froch and guys like Ortiz.

      Guys who get rocked over and over and be buzzed yet dont get put to sleep. The iron chin tag getting given out so much kinda bugs me thats all.
      Come on now, you're reaching a tad.

      Ortiz has been down more in 1 fight than Froch has his entire career.

      Froch's chin is lightyears ahead of Ortiz' and Froch is quite evidently alot more durable than Ortiz is.

      He's no Jake Lamotta but he does have a good chin.

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        #43
        Originally posted by Walt Liquor View Post
        Now this is a great analysis to me kutfo, this is what wards gameplan will be and if he can do it, ***n a, I will be joining all the folks on the bandwagon. But those inside outside skills you claim dre has have worked on one dimensional types guys and I don't think froch is that type of fighter. I still envision a very close fight b/c froch can turn dre too and froch can fight from angles, inside and out and probably has a better chin. In flurries, froch has the advantage.

        Iron dan, I would expect better tha you comparing how froch did vs kessler vs how ward did vs kessler. Froch has 2 better wins in the tourney than wards best win IMO.
        I guess we will have to wait and see, I never like to count out any fighters so OF COURSE Froch has a CHANCE, the man is a damn good fighter and he is tough as hell. But I just think the Speed of Ward will give him the most problems. If he can slow Ward down and get him to fight at the Pace HE IS COMFORTABLE AT then Froch can and will win...but Andre is much smarter then that, he is a very cerebral you fighter, the guy clearly does his homework on his opponents which is why none of his Super 6 fights have been all that close...I am sure him and his Trainer will have an amazing Game Plan for Froch and may even pull out some stuff that Froch is TOTALLY NOT EXPECTING!

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          #44
          Originally posted by KnockUTheFukOut View Post
          Lets be honest, if Froch vs Dirrell was in the US, it is no way he wins that fight, he received a GIFT in Nottingham despite being out-boxed

          I like Froch, the man is a BEAST and a WARRIOR...but he can be out-boxed, Dirrell and Kessler proved that...I consider Ward to be better then both of those fighters RIGHT NOW!

          So bottom line, if Froch can't get the KO...he will lose by UD

          For Froch to look good he needs a sitting target and lets be honest, Johnson and Abraham provided that for him because neither uses Lateral Movement, they either move back or come forward...Froch is actually better at moving lateral then those guys

          I see the fight like the Abraham and Kessler fight, Ward darting in and out and side to side and him going to the body A LOT then using the clinch to nullify Froch's Power and to get inside

          but to be honest I don't think Ward even needs to get inside to beat Froch, I think he beats him from the outside with SPEED. Ward is not going to eat those Combos from Froch like Johnson and Abraham did, he is going to be MOVING and trying to counter them

          lmao what a **** post, both press rows scored it to froch in the dirrell and kessler fights.

          Kessler and dirrell outboxd froch, what sort of **** post is that???please dont post on this forum again.

          thanks...

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            #45
            Dirrell vs. Ward wouldve been a beauty. Just thoguht about this fight.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Walt Liquor View Post
              I don't think so......



              Froch=Beast
              Ward will "Ward" Froch.

              Ward will outpoint Froch with UD.

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                #47
                Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
                I forgot about JT. Pascal rocked him too.

                His chin is okay to average at best. But iron chin? Hell no. This dude has been hurt wayyy too much have that tag.

                He does wake up pretty quick. Usaully by punching back its a weird dynamic. GJ hurt hima few times but right after Froch just started swinging even when hurt.
                Cmon burner, average at best chin??? He didn't get hurt by gj, he got hit flush. Same with dirrell, no big deal. He walked right through it.

                Froch made nice little adjustments tonite. He started turning gj around the 5th or so and then started throwing effective combos late. He never looked out of place noatter what heat was brought and he had good upper body movement. Couple that with his range and he's a whole different animal for ward.

                I tell u what dan, he's got a lot more dimensions than kessler and I don't think for a second that kessler bears froch in a rematch

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                  #48
                  And a LMAO at comparing Froch's chin to Ortiz's

                  Froch has an excellent chin. Even the times he's been buzzed (and yes, this happened against Taylor, Dirrell, and to a lesser extent AA/Kessler/Glen), he's recovered so ridiculously quick that the other fighter hasn't had a chance to capitalise.

                  Margs and Baldo were huge for their weight class, and weren't being hit by world class 168ers fight after fight. Walking through punches at 147 is way different to get hit at SMW, even Andrade's chin cracked.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by No Ceilings View Post
                    Iron Chin: A Prime Baldomir and Margarito. Or I'll take you way back Gorilla Jones had an IRON chin.

                    Okay to Average: Carl Froch and guys like Ortiz.

                    Guys who get rocked over and over and be buzzed yet dont get put to sleep. The iron chin tag getting given out so much kinda bugs me thats all.
                    Holy shi t, you just lost all credibility by comparing ortiz and froch's chin. Froch has fought the best comp at a deep 168 and been down one time. Ward has been down one time. Ortiz goes down all the time.
                    Are you smokin rocks or Sherm tonite burner.


                    Seriosuly, u should delete that post. Baldomir is your example of an atg chin??? Lol!!!!!!!!!

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Walt Liquor View Post
                      Cmon burner, average at best chin??? He didn't get hurt by gj, he got hit flush. Same with dirrell, no big deal. He walked right through it.

                      Froch made nice little adjustments tonite. He started turning gj around the 5th or so and then started throwing effective combos late. He never looked out of place noatter what heat was brought and he had good upper body movement. Couple that with his range and he's a whole different animal for ward.

                      I tell u what dan, he's got a lot more dimensions than kessler and I don't think for a second that kessler bears froch in a rematch
                      Not true at all.

                      Kessler is a better all round fighter than Carl Froch and it showed in thier fight.

                      Prime Kessler has a better jab, footwork, boxing skills, technique and is much harder to hit than Froch is along with a heart to match him. Which alot of Froch's oppoents lack in that area. Atleast to the level Froch has.

                      Which is why I was more than conifdent Kessler would beat Froch and if the exact same version remains from his layoff I am more than confident he will do in a rematch. Kessler won that fight no matter how much Froch *****es and moans.

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