If Ward can't hurt Froch, can he Dirrell him?

[Walt Liquor]

dan shi tting hard on froch in this thread....hard.

[IronDanHamza]

who had a better win over abe?...froch or ward?

Froch.

i reckon froch is doing ok for himself for having a pathetic outside game and a dead avergae inside game...most fighters with those qualifications dont make it that far in this game, they usually end up about 5-28 and getting ko'd 16 times. i guess SMW really sucks........

When they are good at mid range like Froch has shown almost all of his career than the tend to stray away from those kind of records despite the lack of inside and outside ability.

But to be honest, I actually picked Froch to lose to Taylor, Dirrell and Abraham so he proved me wrong in those fights and earned my respect. (I also picked Kessler to beat him like already stated)

Although, on the other hand, I felt Dirrell beat him and Taylor was soundly beating him until the KO in the dying seconds so those picks weren't really absurd.

[IronDanHamza]

My bad I was responding to the other dude.
BTW, Froch does not have a "pathetic" outside game.

Maybe I reached.

However, I would argue it is below average.

[sdcluser]

Just my opinion but it's a fight between two "grinders". Ward will most likely win by 3-5 points. Not gonna be an impressive fight you know. It's like the winner is crowned and you are like, " Hmmmmmm.....hmm...ok..now what?"

[check hook]

Just some thoughts:

- On a personal level i have underrated Froch. He is actually quite intelligent boxing on the outside, but his inside game isn't excellent by any definition.

- Ward will look to get inside on Froch. That is gameplan 1. Gameplan 2 will be to use footspeed and handspeed to outbox him outside.

- In order to beat Ward, Froch needs to establish his jab from outside. This is what will stop Ward coming in and "mugging" Froch inside. Froch likes to fight outside and needs to keep the fight there where he can use smarts [he needs to jab jab jab], superior size, chin and power to overcome Wards athletic advantages.

- The fight is 60/40 in favour of Ward, but i think Froch can surprise some people.....he's constantly surprised me, and i have to take my medicine.


- At the risk of being ridiculed, i will bring Andre Dirrell's name into the fray. Dirrell arguably beat Froch and he didn't really engage that much. He was also similarly to Froch doing a number on AA before being hit while down. Also we didn't get to see him vs Ward, where arguably he may have won. He is a dark horse of sorts coming back, and he is clearly very skilled technically in addition to having speed of hand and foot.

- Bute is still out there. A big SMW with power, speed and intelligent boxing ability. He hurts opponents to the body in nearly every fight and dropped a normally iron chinned Andrade with a short uppercut that traveled all of a foot in distance. Additionally he has discovered how to actually train professionally which has made him better.

To summarise the Ward vs Froch winner does not automatically crown the best 68 pounder, there's still Bute and Dirrell to consider (he may be a bit of a *****, but arguably you can make the case he is undefeated).

[IronDanHamza]

dan shi tting hard on froch in this thread....hard.

I don't like Carl Froch despite following his career all the way from Sky to ITV4 to Primetime back to Sky. Everyone knows that.

Do I respect him? Absolutely. You have to, he has earned his respext and he deserves it.

But it doesn't change the fact he isn't that good and alot of his game is rather amatuerish and were his incredible heart, determination, strength and durability absent he woulndn't have done what he has.

On top of that he is just so far from a likeable character.

[Walt Liquor]

Froch.




When they are good at mid range like Froch has shown almost all of his career than the tend to stray away from those kind of records despite the lack of inside and outside ability.

But to be honest, I actually picked Froch to lose to Taylor, Dirrell and Abraham so he proved me wrong in those fights and earned my respect. (I also picked Kessler to beat him like already stated)

Although, on the other hand, I felt Dirrell beat him and Taylor was soundly beating him until the KO in the dying seconds so those picks weren't really absurd.

i also thought dirrell won vs froch but I picked dirrell to beat ward as well...


you've admitted your anti-froch bias finally and there's nothing wrong with this.

who cares if tayolr was soundly beating him, he got ktfo, that's all that matters.


im going to sleep, but grwat thread folks and I owe check hooks a response tomorrow....bute is no joke, that is correct

[Walt Liquor]

Froch.




When they are good at mid range like Froch has shown almost all of his career than the tend to stray away from those kind of records despite the lack of inside and outside ability.
But to be honest, I actually picked Froch to lose to Taylor, Dirrell and Abraham so he proved me wrong in those fights and earned my respect. (I also picked Kessler to beat him like already stated)

Although, on the other hand, I felt Dirrell beat him and Taylor was soundly beating him until the KO in the dying seconds so those picks weren't really absurd.

again, froch has done very well for himself for being a shi t fighter except from mid range i guess.......

[IronDanHamza]

again, froch has done very well for himself for being a shi t fighter except from mid range i guess.......

There are plenty of fighters throughout history who have no outside or inside game and are great fighters.

Mike Tyson springs to mind.

[IronDanHamza]

i also thought dirrell won vs froch but I picked dirrell to beat ward as well...


you've admitted your anti-froch bias finally and there's nothing wrong with this.

who cares if tayolr was soundly beating him, he got ktfo, that's all that matters.


im going to sleep, but grwat thread folks and I owe check hooks a response tomorrow....bute is no joke, that is correct

Where did I admit I am biased against Carl Froch? I am not biased against Carl Froch.

I openly admit he has the best resume at 168 currently by quite a margin. How is this a biased action?

I didn't say it meant anything. I merely said it wasn't an absurd pick since he was beating him soundly.