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    Greatest Ever? No

    Best of this generation? yes


    I would say in terms of his overall impact and big wins he is top ten top fifteen but the history of boxing is so deep that it is always going to be a raging debate, Thank God for that

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      People underestimate Manny's chin, heart and conditioning. The difference between Manny and Floyd for example is the love and passion Pacquiao has for the sport. He loves to be in the ring and is one of the hardest working fighters training wise of this generation. His mentality for the sport is without question top 3 best ever.

      He has yet to be hurt above 135 even for a second and fighting bigger guys. His intangibles make me personally believe he is as good P4P as any fighter that ever laced em up. Maybe not better but he has reached an overall skill level since he added the right hook to his arsenal and other finely tuned skills with Mr. Roach (Knocked Cotto down and absolutely rocked Margarito in rd 5 or 6 with the right hook).

      Manny is just too committed and able to execute on getting the best of anybody he is in the ring with. Every exchange he answers with more damage and to have the blinding speed makes him deadly and puts him over the edge on top of the sport.

      He has all the accomplishments and accolades one would need to be considered the greatest ever and his fighting speaks for itself.
      Last edited by ProTrainer; 04-21-2011, 10:59 PM.

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        Originally posted by ProTrainer View Post
        People underestimate Manny's chin, heart and conditioning. The difference between Manny and Floyd for example is the love and passion Pacquiao has for the sport. He loves to be in the ring and is one of the hardest working fighters training wise of this generation. His mentality for the sport is without question top 3 best ever.

        He has yet to be hurt above 135 even for a second and fighting bigger guys. His intangibles make me personally believe he is as good P4P as any fighter that ever laced em up. Maybe not better but he has reached an overall skill level since he added the right hook to his arsenal and other finely tuned skills with Mr. Roach (Knocked Cotto down and absolutely rocked Margarito in rd 5 or 6 with the right hook).

        Manny is just too committed and able to execute on getting the best of anybody he is in the ring with. Every exchange he answers with more damage and to have the blinding speed makes him deadly and puts on top of the sport.

        He has all the accomplishments and accolades one would need to be considered the greatest ever and his fighting speaks for itself.
        Too bad he needs to drain already shot to hell fighters.

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          Originally posted by Phil Ivey View Post
          Manny's the best of our time but not the greatest fighter ever imo.. but when he retires and decades past by I think his ATG status will be elevated and people would be talking about him like they talk about Leonard, Hagler, Duran, Hearns today.
          I sometimes wonder if they will. It's no coincidence that the names you mention are mostly from the US, if he retired now would the little Filipino (i.e. outsider) be remembered in the same way? I don't think he would, but perhaps in 2/3 years time he will have achieved so much more that it will be inevitable that his name will be brought up.

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            Originally posted by FerdinandMarcos View Post
            Too bad he needs to drain already shot to hell fighters.

            Too bad he was drained earlier in his career. 147 is the perfect weight for him.

            It's the way he dismantled them. All came in top shape and game. None of them ever saw speed like that. Even Mayweather has had more shakey going at WW. Judah put him on the canvas (unofficially) Mosley had him hurt bad and Pac is able to take punches much better and his offense is the best of all time at the very least for a southpaw.

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              To the idiot trying to discredit RJJ and puts Pac above him on the ATG list..

              - There's a difference between fighting a guy at a contracted weight who chooses not to come in the best shape for a fight (if you're accepting excuses).

              - and one who is contracted to fight below their normal weight with penalty stipulations.

              and lol @ BHOP being green. That's why he didn't lose another fight for over a decade after Roy right?

              You ppl ranking Pac as high as #5 all time need a lobotomy... you couldn't have been watching boxing long. And I'm talking like.. within the last year.

              He's being praised like this despite facing only 1 stylistic challenger and good prime opponent.. over his career.

              You guys are nuts. Pacman would've been stopped in the 90's and 80's at WW. Even a younger juiced version of Shane is scarier. Oscar was dangerous.

              The current squad is all B league minus Floyd, and I'd have a hard time putting HIM over any of the 80's stars. His defense would make a Leonard fight close maybe, but that's about the closest thing to a win I'd give him against those welters.

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                Originally posted by Haglerwins View Post
                To the idiot trying to discredit RJJ and puts Pac above him on the ATG list..

                - There's a difference between fighting a guy at a contracted weight who chooses not to come in the best shape for a fight (if you're accepting excuses).

                - and one who is contracted to fight below their normal weight with penalty stipulations.

                and lol @ BHOP being green. That's why he didn't lose another fight for over a decade after Roy right?

                You ppl ranking Pac as high as #5 all time need a lobotomy... you couldn't have been watching boxing long. And I'm talking like.. within the last year.

                He's being praised like this despite facing only 1 stylistic challenger and good prime opponent.. over his career.

                You guys are nuts. Pacman would've been stopped in the 90's and 80's
                at WW. Even a younger juiced version of Shane is scarier. Oscar was
                dangerous.

                The current squad is all B league minus Floyd, and I'd have a hard time putting HIM over any of the 80's stars. His defense would make a Leonard fight close maybe, but that's about the closest thing to a win I'd give him against
                those welters.
                So are you saying Hopkins was in his prime at that time. Hopkins was a crude brawler when he first fought Roy. He was green as they come.

                If you gonna give excuses for weight drained fighter then you can't give praises for Roy beating Toney because Toney was also weight drain.

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                  Originally posted by IMDAZED View Post
                  I think it's hard for anyone to say all-time. I don't have Ray Robinson's career collection DVD on hand, if you know what I mean. But there is no question that along with Roy, he is the greatest fighter of this generation and a top 25 of all-time.
                  Uh-oh. Now you've done it.

                  Surely you're going to catch some, "Roy ducked Joe Calzaghe." type comments. HAHA. No doubt posted by people who didn't even actually SEE Roy in his prime.

                  As for the greatest fighter ever? I wouldn't say so. But he's up there. He's easily Top 10-25 p4p of all-time. There's no denying his accomplishments. The man is a living legend.

                  Manny is to the 2000's what Roy Jones Jr. was to the 1990's.

                  Both men were/are true boxing prodigies, who only come around every so often.

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                    Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
                    And, BTW the same goes for Floyd. You do know Floyd has had a career before the Oscar fight right?
                    Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
                    No he's not. Yes, he's top 3, at best #2. But, not the GOAT.
                    Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
                    More importantly than who is when, you dumb fuck]


                    Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post
                    You want to know what Duran or SRL would do that version of Maragrito? You're acting like that was the same Marg of 2004. JUST STFU, that was a washed up Marg. That win means ****. Duran already beat way bigger and better guys than that version of Marg like Barkley and Castro.
                    Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post

                    More importantly than who is when you dumb fuck.

                    Originally posted by jrosales13 View Post

                    Duran win over a prime Leonard ****s on anything Pac has ever done. And, that was a smallish borderline past prime Duran.

                    Duran wouldnt ever do to Margarito what Pac did. Margarito is way better than Barkley who lost in 2 rounds to Benn. Nobody has beat Margarito like Pac did or could. You will say SSM. Margarito underestimated SSM as he had just beat Cotto. He was coming off a hard fight with Cotto, so SSM got Margarito at the right time, will all the plaster effecting Marges mind as well.

                    Just because SRL fought the wrong fight against Duran, and Duran beat SRL dont mean Duran has been more succesful. Thats like saying Kirkland laing beating Duran, or Randolph turpin beating SRR so they will go down as more succesful than Pac. Duran wouldnt ever do to Margarito what Pac did. Pac wouldnt get knocked out in2 rounds by hearns.
                    The margarito that fought Pac was a man possessed and obsessed with beating Pac, his whole career rested on it. It would be safe to say that was the most in shape Margarito ever.
                    Last edited by hugh grant; 04-22-2011, 04:54 PM.

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                      He isn't in my eyes, but I don't think it's a ****** thing to think he is, he's certainly up there.

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