Who Won Pac-Bradley? Post fight discussion STOP MAKING NEW THREADS ABOUT THIS FIGHT.

[ModernTalking]

Something happened under the table. Bradley needed a KO to win going into the 10th.

Great move by Floyd though. I would it rather be like this then Floyd vs PAC get made and Floyd pay the usada people off to give Packy a positive peds result. Hey money is a powerful tool that can change anything.

Nonetheless Floyd is a smart man. Floyd said PAC could cripple him for life if they fight. Bradley is now cripple and it could be for life .

[Light_Speed]

As we learned last night, heart and determination can only take you so far. When you fight on the elite level, you got to be polished well rounded boxer that can adjust on the fly.

That's what I said before the fight, too much focus on conditioning, that "harder, faster, stronger" mentality. He is not an intelligent fighter.

[DoktorSleepless]

Wow, you seriously need to spend a few months in the gym and learn about boxing. Leather touching does not count as a punch. Learn what "slipping" is.
By your logic, Calzaghe beat Hopkins in every round.

Any leather that lands (and was thrown with some intent) technically counts as a punch. I'm not saying judges should give the fighter much credit for it, but it should be included in punch stats. I never claimed these punches win fights.

I think I only counted one punch that was a boarderline tap though.

[deanrw]

I agree.


Bradley's movement was quite effective. Pacquiao, formerly a Tasmanian devil, just followed him around, usually forgetting to cut off the ring and not doing anything for the first two minutes of each round.

It was effective in his survival, but not effective if he was also unable to land scoring punches himself. That is not controlling range. Controlling range is to keep one guy at bay while setting yourself up to land.

[shogun1123]

Robbery? What Robbery, Pacquaio gave it to Bradley!

Well what can I say, This was Pacquaio's first attempt in many years fighting a Young Strong Champion in the Prime of his career without a ****** catchweight. Result for Pacquiao = Fail and a loss on his record. So, I am still not impressed with Pacquiao.

I’m saying Bradley won the fight, but he definitely fought every minute of every round in this fight. I can’t say that for Pacquiao. Pacquiao literally fought for 14 minutes in this fight, maximum 18. Bradley fought the entire fight for 36 minutes with a bad ankle.

People we have to realize that Vegas judges are a weird lot. They score fights very different in Vegas. Vegas judges are not star struck and they don’t take their cues from the crowd or the extremely bias HBO crew.

Think back to De La Hoya vs.Trinidad. I had Oscar winning that fight easy based on what my eyes saw. But down the stretch he took off some rounds and the Vegas Judges awarded the fight to Trinidad for consistently applying pressure the entire fight and for fighting the entire fight.

When you fight in Vegas you can’t assume just because you think you are winning that your are actually winning on the cards. Vegas judges have their own way of scoring fights. They also look for who is making the fight, who is applying the pressure and who is applying effective aggression.

Manny fought this fight just how Freddy roach taught him how to fight, well how to lose a fight. I saw the exact same thing in the Amir Khan fight against Peterson. Peterson fought the entire fight and Khan fought is spurts and then in the last 30 seconds he would try to steal the round. Well we all know the the results of that endeavour. This is exactly what Pacquiao did in this fight with Bradley.

Pacquiao looked like Amir Khan to me in this fight, he looked very amateurish. Wild punches, not going to the body at all and his punch variety was totally non-existent. Where was that right hand we keep hearing that Pacquiao has now, where was the uppercut?

Freddie Roach has not taught Pacquiao anything. Pacquiao is still the same fighter he was 10 years ago. Defensively Pacquiao is poor and offensively he is very limited. Pacquiao is still a one-handed fighter.

Athletically, Pacquiao is slowing down and he has not knocked anyone out in a long time. A aging fighter who relies on his athleticism instead of his boxing skills will get exposed when their athletic prowess starts to decline. Can anybody say “Roy Jones”?

Bradley in round 8 -12 , starting boxing the brakes off Pacquiao. Yes, Bradley was still getting hit with left hand from Pacquiao, but he was boxing beautifully. Bradley at this point had solved the Pacquiao puzzle, Bradley had cracked the PACMAN code.

Again do I think Bradley won this fight, “NO I DON”T”. I think Pacquiao LOST this fight because he did not fight the entire fight and he was one dimensional. Also, being a “DIVA” before the fight did not exactly ingratiate him with the Vegas Judges.


Pacquiao only looks good against slow aging fighters that are past their prime and weight drained. That is just a fact that we ALL have to deal with. A fighter with good boxing skills will always give Pacquiao problems and they have.

Freddie Roach and Bob Arum are very skilled matchmakers. But I fear they are starting to overestimate their own creation that is Pacquiao. They better go back to fighting slow and old face first brawlers or Pacquiao will get further exposed.

Pacquiao is not that Good and he is not that Great, but I love watching him fight.

[Evol]

Just listen to Bradleys corner In between rounds and look at the reaction when the score was announce. Does that look like a person that won?

[savorduhflavor]

Compubox is such crap.

Pac won, no doubt. But apparentley every time he throws one of those flurries 10 punches automatically land.

[Cassius302]

Round 1

No one is doing a bunch of anything this round, Bradley's pitter-atter jab stays in Manny's face almost the entire round, 10-9 Bradley as two or three solid punches does not earn you a round.

Round 2

Pausing round 2 briefly, can already see how people are going to use the compubox numbers against Bradley, he's throwing the left jab out to keep Manny at bay. Unpausing.
Had Manny backing up most of the round, towards the end of the round, dropped his gloves and let Manny swing on him, missing virtually all of the swings. 20-18 Bradley

Round 3

Pausing round 3 briefly. Bradley is out Mannying Manny, basically just throwing punches out there. Making Manny pick his spots. Unpausing.
Pacquiao finally woke up and if I have to give anyone this round, it'd be him. 29-28 Bradley. Pacquiao did more, but a lot of these punches are missing from him.
The thing that is surprising me thus far. Manny is not walking through these punches. Bradley has paltry KO numbers, but Manny is backpedaling most thus far in this fight

Round 4
Harold Lederman's care has just flashed on the screen. 30-27 is just wrong. I could just hear lampley going crazy of whatever manny is doing now.I have sound on mute. I don't know what fight he is watching thus far.
So far on the official score cards, all three have Manny 29-28

Pausing, this is some sloppy ass boxing from both fighters, unpausing
Manny thinks he's found something with a left uppercut as he's gone to it a few times, yet is hitting air
Bradley is still, for the most part, in Manny's face.
Last minute of the round wins it for Pacquiao as he finally starts to let the hands go and was quicker to the punch, lol. Most explosive punches and combos were landed by him and made Bradley stumble and lose his footing
38-38

Round 5

LMFAO with this biased HBO feed. They make it seem like Bradley was there for target practice. Every ****ing round has Manny clips. HAHAHAHA
Admittedly, round 4 was the clearest round thus far by any fighter.
Pausing. Bradley starts off the round with ring generalship, controlling the middle of the round. He's done this every one. Judges look at this as one barometer for who is in control. Only when someone has made a name for themselves on defense like a Floyd or a Pernell, will judges not hold this against you. Unpausing
Pausing. Finally with two minutes left in the round, does Manny choose to stalk Bradley as Bradley is backpedalling, Unpausing.
Pausing, he's doing a decent job staying out of the way of Manny's straight left. Most are just grazing his head. Still counts as a power shot on Compubox though. Also, Bradley is flickering his jab out, but seems less frequent.Unpausing
I have no idea why Bradley decided he wanted to start brawling here as Manny again stumbled Bradley.
48-47 Pacquiao

Round 6

Thoughts thus far. Neither is landing a lot clean. Manny has won his rounds based on this cleaner punches though while Bradley has won on pure aggression by staying in Manny's face and peppering him with jabs, just basically being more active. If I know Jim Lampley as well as I think I do, he has people thinking this is a whitewash thus far, when it clearly is not, however, at this point, Manny is ahead of my card
Pausing. Manny came ouf of the corner first, but then resumed his role of letting Bradley throw weak jabs at him for the first part of virtually every round. Basically what Manny did to Clottey all fight, Unpausing
At the 2:20 mark, Manny takes role of aggressor, then reverts back to throwing his arms up to guard.
I feel that they both did roughly the same and this is my first toss-up round, but I think I need to give this to Pacquaio but of the stuff that was happening in the corner and Manny let loose for a bit. These are by no means clean shots that either are really throwing though.
58-56 Pacquiao

Round 7

More of the ****ery from HBO on round 6, however, that stuff in the corner was worth showing.
At this point in time, the three judges has it 59-56, 58-56, 58-56, all in favor of Pacquiao
Pausing, midway point of round, both are swing wild for the fences. Manny is controlling ring now Unpausing
Pausing, as 27 punches to Pacquaio vs 9 to Bradley just flashed, that is bull ****ing ****. Much closer, but Manny won this round.
68-65 Pacquiao

Round 8

Thoughts so far. Bradley is backing up, but he's not laying any traps. Manny moves forward in a straight line, not cutting off of the ring at any point of this fight. Bradley looks like he's trying to control distance and box. Good idea, he's lost five rounds in a row on my card
Pretty lackluster round but it was a Bradley round. Interestingly enough. Jinkee Pacquiao was jumping up and down eariler. There is a look of concern on her face now.
77-75 Pacquaio

Round 9

Thoughts as the minute between rounds passes. These numbers are bogus from compubox. I feel that they are when Floyd fights and they are in this fight.
80-72 Pacquiao by Lederman SMDH
Pausing. Manny is doing a lot of smiling, but he's not doing a lot of throwing punches. Bradley still tossing that weak left jab out there. However, it shows that Bradley has Manny's timing down as his left has been shut down. Unpausing.
By the middle of the round, I thought Manny sealed this with a bow, then Bradley came back with some stuff of his own. Do I give the round for harder punching or for more agression and weaker punches. Can' t decide, round is a draw
87-85 Manny

Round 10

So far on official score cards, 88-83 Manny, 86-85 Manny, 85-86 Bradley
Pausing, finally seeing Bradley's jab slip through the guard of Manny consistently. Unpausing
Pausing, Bradley fully back to boxing it seems, he's controlling where the fight is going now. Manny is still following in straight line. Unpausing
Manny wakes up in like the last 15 seconds of the round. This is Bradley's clearest round yet. Punching (wide) off of ref separations, outpunching in the few clinches and controlling the action.
96-95 Manny

Round 11
Thoughts between rounds, more Manny highlight stuff. I mean, is HBO trying to pitch Manny gear here? Bradley, while not as flashy, as done some good things thus far. Geez
Lederman finally gives Bradley a round, lol. As I stated, that was a clear Bradley round. All three official score cards show that as well
Pausing, neither has been in any real danger, Manny seems content to let Tim throw jabs all day. Whenever Bradley has been able to slow down the workrate of Manny, he's made him look like a club fighter, like he did in round 10 and so far, this has the makings of the same thing. Unpausing.
Pausing, Bradley is turning Manny at will, (weak) left jab to the face, rinse and repeat, Unpausing.
Ring generalship and the left jab won it for Bradley
105-105 - Tie

Round 12
Thoughts so far, boring fight. Jinkee sit emotionless. So does Tim's wife
Pausing. Pitty-Pat left jab, pitty-pat left jab, zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Unpausing
Pausing. I don't know why Tim decided to get froggy and scrap with Manny again. That's how he gave up all those middle rounds. Unpausing.
Round was a draw.

Fight was 115-115

I can see the fight going either way, depending on how you judge scoring.
Lackluster fight. You know who beats either with ease on their best day.

So, robbery, this was not.

Good fight round by round break down by @icebergisonfire. I think the fight was definitely a lot closer then most web score cards indicate.

[MRBOOMER]

There not star struck huh?

They score weird?

[gmc_rfc_06]

First view was 3-4 rounds for Bradley. Didnt get a chance for a second view yet.

However for the people who decided it was closer for Bradley on the second view. Did you give Manny that benefit of the doubt during the Marquez fight?

Because i had it a clear victory for Marquez on fight night, and after reviewing 2 more times, it became a very close fight to me.

My initial score for Pac-Marquez was 116-112 Marquez.

On 2nd view it got wider to 117-111.