Who Won Pac-Bradley? Post fight discussion STOP MAKING NEW THREADS ABOUT THIS FIGHT.

[hugh grant]

Well what can I say, This was Pacquaio's first attempt in many years fighting a Young Strong Champion in the Prime of his career without a ****** catchweight. Result for Pacquiao = Fail and a loss on his record. So, I am still not impressed with Pacquiao.

I’m saying Bradley won the fight, but he definitely fought every minute of every round in this fight. I can’t say that for Pacquiao. Pacquiao literally fought for 14 minutes in this fight, maximum 18. Bradley fought the entire fight for 36 minutes with a bad ankle.

People we have to realize that Vegas judges are a weird lot. They score fights very different in Vegas. Vegas judges are not star struck and they don’t take their cues from the crowd or the extremely bias HBO crew.

Think back to De La Hoya vs.Trinidad. I had Oscar winning that fight easy based on what my eyes saw. But down the stretch he took off some rounds and the Vegas Judges awarded the fight to Trinidad for consistently applying pressure the entire fight and for fighting the entire fight.

When you fight in Vegas you can’t assume just because you think you are winning that your are actually winning on the cards. Vegas judges have their own way of scoring fights. They also look for who is making the fight, who is applying the pressure and who is applying effective aggression.

Manny fought this fight just how Freddy roach taught him how to fight, well how to lose a fight. I saw the exact same thing in the Amir Khan fight against Peterson. Peterson fought the entire fight and Khan fought is spurts and then in the last 30 seconds he would try to steal the round. Well we all know the the results of that endeavour. This is exactly what Pacquiao did in this fight with Bradley.

Pacquiao looked like Amir Khan to me in this fight, he looked very amateurish. Wild punches, not going to the body at all and his punch variety was totally non-existent. Where was that right hand we keep hearing that Pacquiao has now, where was the uppercut?

Freddie Roach has not taught Pacquiao anything. Pacquiao is still the same fighter he was 10 years ago. Defensively Pacquiao is poor and offensively he is very limited. Pacquiao is still a one-handed fighter.

Athletically, Pacquiao is slowing down and he has not knocked anyone out in a long time. A aging fighter who relies on his athleticism instead of his boxing skills will get exposed when their athletic prowess starts to decline. Can anybody say “Roy Jones”?

Bradley in round 8 -12 , starting boxing the brakes off Pacquiao. Yes, Bradley was still getting hit with left hand from Pacquiao, but he was boxing beautifully. Bradley at this point had solved the Pacquiao puzzle, Bradley had cracked the PACMAN code.

Again do I think Bradley won this fight, “NO I DON”T”. I think Pacquiao LOST this fight because he did not fight the entire fight and he was one dimensional. Also, being a “DIVA” before the fight did not exactly ingratiate him with the Vegas Judges.


Pacquiao only looks good against slow aging fighters that are past their prime and weight drained. That is just a fact that we ALL have to deal with. A fighter with good boxing skills will always give Pacquiao problems and they have.

Freddie Roach and Bob Arum are very skilled matchmakers. But I fear they are starting to overestimate their own creation that is Pacquiao. They better go back to fighting slow and old face first brawlers or Pacquiao will get further exposed.

Pacquiao is not that Good and he is not that Great, but I love watching him fight.

Bradley didnt win, Pac lost the fight? Actually everyone thinks Bradley didnt win, and Pac certainly didnt lose, so Pac won the fight.

Bradley was the one dimensional one, back peddling, with Pac going forward. Going forward theer is only so much you can do. Some fightes cant go forward. Can you imagine Floyd trying to go forward if his opponents back peddled the whole fight.

IM not sure how you worked out how many mintues Pac fought for, but he landed more punches and had bradley on ***** street enough times. What imaginary punches were the judges scoring for Brad.?

[IMDAZED]

the only way you can have manny winning rounds 1 and 2, for instance, is to have him stealing them on pockets of success at the end and beginning of those rounds respectively. bradley's scoring work is distributed more evenly over those rounds and he controls the direction of the rounds and maneuvers pacquiao. also, you have to score his body-punching and the work he did inside when pac would fall in and tim would come up, tie up, hold the right arm of pac and whack from body to head on the left side of manny.


guys just aren't scoring his side of the fight. only manny's (and including missed blows, at that).

Yeah, I noticed that. I noted in another thread that I was infuriated by HBO not paying attention or overblowing one thing while downplaying another. There's a moment in the fourth round where Bradley lands a jarring right hand counter eases Pacquiao up some. Don't think anyone even noticed.

[ArtThouFurious?]

The amount of revenue you generate at the gate is far more important than the # of asses you put in the seats. This fight is probably going to generate less $$$$$ than any fight Pacquiao has had since Clottey, at the gate and at the box office. BUT i can almost guarantee you that the amount of revenue generated at the gate probably exceeds the gate of the Klitschko's last 2 fights combined, by a few million.

Tickets for Klitschko fights are sold for peanuts compared to what Pacquiao (or Mayweather) tickets sell for on average.

[crold1]

should it?

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Open scoring blows. I've seen it just wreck fights if a guy gets a lead. Mormeck-Bell II was classic for eight and then Mormeck ran like hell when he knew he had it in the bag as an example. want to see more fights turn out like ammy track meets...post scores. The fear of getting robbed can make fighters stay in the thick for 12. That's better.

[shogun1123]

This is not what Bradley did to win the fight.

This is about what Pacquaio did to lose the fight.

He did not aggressively fight in the first 2 minutes of many rounds, he only fought aggressively in the last 40 sec of each round.

You can't expect to win in Vegas by trying to steal rounds.

[Salardo]

I just was away for 2 hours and I went through the whole thread and almost died from laughing. Some pple posted here who really know boxing and are honest, and others are simply clowns. Some guys said Zab Judah aint slick and Bradley aint slick either. LMAOOOOO. Judah is one of the slickest fighters of the last 10 years and so is Bradley.

Broken Feet my ass

Yuri Foreman had an injured knee against Cotto, and look how he limped.

And two broken feet, yet moved like nothing happened and even managed to climb the ropes after the announcement?

I agree 100 %. I thought the same thing.

Be honest, you've never seen him fight and the only reason you say he's a come forward fighter with little skill is because he fought Pacquiao.

Totally agree. The kid wants to tell me I never saw Bradley fight when I call him slick LMAO. I seen lots of Bradley fights and he is very slick has excellent defence, brilliant handspeed and superb footwork. And on top of that he has a very high Ring IQ. Problem is that Pacquiao has the skills and handspeed to make Bradley look like an average fighter. And thats what happened.
You cant just watch the Pacquiao-Bradley fight and then say "Bradley never was sh't" just cause Pacquiao outclassed him for most of the fight.

bradley is about as slick as zab judah.....which ain't that slick at all.

sure buddy. that right there tells me that you are a complete joke and have zero boxing knowledge.

Highly skilled? He's definitely not up there with the elites in terms of skill, Bradley's grit and tenacity is what makes him so special.

sure buddy. Bradley was always known as one of the best p4p fighters in the world and now suddenly Pacquiao takes him to school and you come around the corner and say Bradley never was elite? LOOOL

If Judah isn't slick then I don't know what is.

absolutely. Judah is one of the slickest fighters of the last decade and if someone cant see that I suggest he switches to another sport.

@ dudes calling Bradley, slick and highly skilled!!! LMAO...good post!!

what a joke you are.

Bradley highly skilled?

Bradley has always been a plod forward fighter with no power and poor movement, he just has a lot of heart and grit. I predicted he would get KO'd in the 8th and not win a round as he isn't very good and was moving up; He should have lost, but Manny didn't do anywhere near as good as I thought he would. He was being outboxed at times by Bradley.

LOOOOOL. good stuff. do u really believe your own sh'T?

[ianhunter]

Yeah, I noticed that. I noted in another thread that I was infuriated by HBO not paying attention or overblowing one thing while downplaying another. There's a moment in the fourth round where Bradley lands a jarring right hand counter eases Pacquiao up some. Don't think anyone even noticed.

i think it was very conscious on the part of hbo to overplay everything pac did and underplay tim. tim would land a right hand at a given point in the fight and lampley would scream "great right hand by pacquiao!" they didn't even replay any of tim's shots.

couple examples of how lame lampley was as a caller.

[Rome-By-Ko]

Ok on the night of the fight I had Pac winning by 3 rds..I really thought it was a clear win for Pac..I was trying not to listen to the commentary by HBO,but I won't lie it got to me and effected the way I scored the fight...Not to mention I had guest in my house..They were all telling me I was crazy for even giving Bradley the rds that I did...At the end I won't lie I was shocked..Like I said I had Pac winning by 3 rds the night of...

Now on my rewatch,I watch this fight on the TR feed the second time around(side note they were way better then the HBO crew)they were not as bias..I truly thought it was a great fight..That could be 7-5 either way,I gave the fight to Bradley on second watch..I just thought he did more in most of the rds..There were times were Pac would not do anything until 40 secs left in the rd..I have to say I can't give a fighter a rd who has taking off most of it and trys to steal it at the last sec...I will say Pac landed the more eye poping shots..Bradley worked more imo..I could see anyone having this fight 7-5 Pac or 7-5 Bradley or even 6-6 even..This was not a robbery or a blowout,it was a close fight that imo Bradley won...

[hugh grant]

Pac did fight or want to fight for 3 mins each round, but Bradley kept running away.
Isnt it a coincidence that bradley said Pac was vicious and punched hard, and all Pac could say of bradley is he has good footwork ie running away to prevent punches landing on him and being ko'ed.

[Ryn0]

Pacquiao won the fight clearly. Bradley didn't DO anything successfully.

If Bradley isn't doing anything successfully at all (he wasn't even putting pressure on) and Pacquiao even if he took rounds off he was still the aggressor and still landing hard, crisper and more punches.

In a close fight I can see why someone would pick either the high volume fighter or the crisper, harder puncher. In this fight Pacquiao was the higher volume and crisper/harder puncher.