Would anyone actually suspect PAC of using PEDs if Mayweather Sr and Co. hadn't accus

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i dont know about the foot speed. I am an avid maxboxing follower/subscriber in the days of Dougie and Steve Kim a local reporter from LA like 4-5 yrs ago and Steve Kim always fantasizes about pacquiao's massive calves and the repeated focus on foot work. That was right around the morales trilogy i believe where he would just marvel at his footwork. Even Emannuel Stewards use to say it in pac's earlier year that his balance was awful, and talked about fixing it. I dont know how that couldnt be fixed in the ring

Balance is one thing, foot speed is another. And he has it in bunches. Regardless, leaping up two divisions and dominating isn't unheard of. Doing it after you've already moved through about six or seven divisions is rare. Doing it after you've already had a 15 year career and nearly 60 fights? Alrighty.

[Eaner0919]

yeah those points are valid for a debate like for example:

growth spurts in 9 months- i never really understood this since his in ring weight since his 130 days has always been around 139-144. So people always tell me dude gained 15 pounds in 9 months and I was like really where did those pounds go? He still weighs the same amount as a featherweight just less cutting.

well here is the thing that a lot of people kind of gloss over or forget

while yes he is virtually weighing the same post fight weight his metabolism has changed according to Ariza to where it's insanely high enough to where he has to feed him a lot of calories in order for him to maintain weight. Now if this is the case (and kind of backed up by his strange weight of 144.6 for Margarito) then how do you account for him simply not cutting AND having his caloric intake increased yet maintaining his fight night weight as his weigh in weight

“Because his metabolism will not allow him to get bigger,” said Ariza.

but yet he is

I would think if it was the same old Manny one would think the increase in his caloric intake combined with him not cutting would have him bigger, probably in the 150s.

if it's legit, which I am on the fence, then it's a great method as to how they get him ripped and targeted. Not very many conditioners are successful at that

speed- I actually think he's slower compared to the days he fought barrera the first time.

could be but it's marginal

Ariza- The dude always has a flare for dramatic. He may just be exaggerating bit on the intake. It's not like he ever presented any chart where he documented manny.

but it's still within the ballpark or else why say it

Lastly- the funniest one is the head being huge. I've met manny when he was just 126 pounder and took pics with him. He's head compared to mine was bigger already. Dude has huge head

never used that.

see I like this type of debate because it's good to stretch the mind IMO

good stuff

[pistol whip]

um it's kind of true we talk about a lot of things on press row that never hit the light of day

right now I can think of at least three topics that has been discussed recently that I won't share and neither will anyone else.

I know it sounds false but it's commonplace for this to happen.

Thats fine but for me it depends who saying where it's coming from. Is it some shhiitt bag blogger who I will never ever give credit to as a writer. Is it some *****t bag writer for some uncrediable boxing website? You have to understand in todays day and age of "everyone calls themselves a writer just becasue the have a ***ing blog on some no name website" does not mean the people in press row have any ***ing clue as to what they are talking about.


Im a skeptic to the bone and pardon me if I don't take "unamed sources" and "press row gossip" seriously.

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Thats fine but for me it depends who saying where it's coming from. Is it some shhiitt bag blogger who I will never ever give credit to as a writer. Is it some *****t bag writer for some uncrediable boxing website? You have to understand in todays day and age of "everyone calls themselves a writer just becasue the have a ***ing blog on some no name website" does not mean the people in press row have any ***ing clue as to what they are talking about.


Im a skeptic to the bone and pardon me if I don't take "unamed sources" and "press row gossip" seriously.

Well you shouldn't. And I can understand why anyone would be skeptical. But I know eaner works for a pretty solid company and I think I can say the same.

[ALG United]

You guys are nuts. This was a hot topic of discussion in press row before Floyd Sr said anything publically.

NO it wasn't!!!!

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NO it wasn't!!!!

Yes, it was.

[flipbjefrox]

Balance is one thing, foot speed is another. And he has it in bunches. Regardless, leaping up two divisions and dominating isn't unheard of. Doing it after you've already moved through about six or seven divisions is rare. Doing it after you've already had a 15 year career and nearly 60 fights? Alrighty.

You exaggerated on every single point on this one. Now you're just explaining why he is GREAT. Hasegawa after being KO'd by Montiel earlier this year jumped up 2 divisioin that's a total of 9 pounds and gain the featherweight title. Hugo Cazares couldnt win jack **** at light flyweight but jumped two division and became a champion at bantam. Nonito if he beats montiel can become a 3 division champ. Sergio Martinez gets KO'd in Welterweight and now up two division and destroyed Paul Williams with one punch. JMM old as F@CKed never had KO power in his 126 days and now that he's old finally started KOd dudes that are naturally bigger than him. How could that be. Moving up in these so called water down division doesnt equate to anything su****ious.

[IMDAZED]

You exaggerated on every single point on this one. Now you're just explaining why he is GREAT. Hasegawa after being KO'd by Montiel earlier this year jumped up 2 divisioin that's a total of 9 pounds and gain the featherweight title. Hugo Cazares couldnt win jack **** at light flyweight but jumped two division and became a champion at bantam. Nonito if he beats montiel can become a 3 division champ. Sergio Martinez gets KO'd in Welterweight and now up two division and destroyed Paul Williams with one punch. JMM old as F@CKed never had KO power in his 126 days and now that he's old finally started KOd dudes that are naturally bigger than him. How could that be. Moving up in these so called water down division doesnt equate to anything su****ious.

Try not to read only what you want. Put all the points together. Compare.

[LMFAO]

Well you shouldn't. And I can understand why anyone would be skeptical. But I know eaner works for a pretty solid company and I think I can say the same.

I'm sure the media doesn't want Pac tested as IF he tested positive the mega fight would be not only in serious jeopardy but most likely a one sided bust in favor of Mayweather.

A huge amount of people's money would be lost if Manny tested positive.

Hence the reason the media bashes Mayweather for being a "coward". He plays the "****** mentality, 'bad' guy" to the hilt and some of it may not be an act. While Manny plays the stereotypical "nice, humble" foreign Asian man whom is "beating all odd's".

the media doesn't care either way about a Manny or a Mayweather. They only care about drawing readers and making the most of their money. Too much money involved in multiple aspects of this mega fight to lose should Manny take full random OST and test positive.

It would be a disaster to Manny, Top Rank, the megafight itself, Vegas, and so on. Like it or not.

[IronDanHamza]

You exaggerated on every single point on this one. Now you're just explaining why he is GREAT. Hasegawa after being KO'd by Montiel earlier this year jumped up 2 divisioin that's a total of 9 pounds and gain the featherweight title. Hugo Cazares couldnt win jack **** at light flyweight but jumped two division and became a champion at bantam. Nonito if he beats montiel can become a 3 division champ. Sergio Martinez gets KO'd in Welterweight and now up two division and destroyed Paul Williams with one punch. JMM old as F@CKed never had KO power in his 126 days and now that he's old finally started KOd dudes that are naturally bigger than him. How could that be. Moving up in these so called water down division doesnt equate to anything su****ious.

JMM never had power at 126?