Would anyone actually suspect PAC of using PEDs if Mayweather Sr and Co. hadn't accus

[flipbjefrox]

um I am in the industry you can ask anyone if you feel like

in fact twice over

and again I will gladly provide something that proves Manny's alleged use was talked about prior to Floyd

now where is Alibata?

ok i'll take your words that ur from the media. Prior to Sr., what was your the main reason you and your collegues thought pac was on roid?

[Eaner0919]

ok i'll take your words that ur from the media. Prior to Sr., what was your the main reason you and your collegues thought pac was on roid?

well to be honest it was the growth spurt in 9 months without any real drop off in speed or power. Also, couple that with some quotes both Alex Ariza and Terri Tom had said about his intake and it started to become interesting at the least

going further on in this debate I have flucuated from full on thinking he didn't then did then kind of to the point now where I don't want him to be caught if he did because he is a good dude for our sport

but

my entire point, even though it makes me look like I hate Manny (I don't I hate his non sensical fans) and love Mayweather, is that the subject matter is valid and up for debate.

simple nothing more

[IMDAZED]

no, no it wasn't. no one even mentioned it until the crack head did.

Yes, yes. WTF?

[pistol whip]

Those type of things don't leave press row. And it probably never would have if Floyd Sr didn't open his mouth.

LOL wow why am I not suprised that you would just make things up to prove your non existant point?

[IMDAZED]

ok i'll take your words that ur from the media. Prior to Sr., what was your the main reason you and your collegues thought pac was on roid?

You know what's funny? How the most off-hand things will pop up in your head.

About 2-3 years ago, a writer friend was placed on assignment to do a feature on the Wildcard gym. It wasn't even for a boxing publication--like Maxim or something. BTW, this guy is a huge Manny fan. When he came back, we were chatting about the gym and all its idiosyncracies. And he says to me, "you know who was at the gym the most?" When I asked who, he said "Bobby Pacquiao." He said, "Man, that guy has gotten huge. He looks ridiculous now." (A lot of good it did him in the ring).

Why would I ever think twice about this? I didn't. Fast forward to 2010. Someone on this board mentions how Bobby is ripped and it's genetics. My mind flashes to the story my friend told me. I google Bobby Pacquiao. Buried in a corner somewhere, is the story of how Alex Ariza joined Roach's camp. An article from a few years ago. Roach explains why he got rid of Justin Fortune, and how he signed Ariza. "I had him work solely with Bobby Pacquiao. He did such a great job, we began using him with Manny."

There is more to this story and being the curious George that I am, I pored through it all. But the bottom line is, it's amazing how the rumor mill works. Some of it is BS. Other times, it requires further debate and research.

[flipbjefrox]

well to be honest it was the growth spurt in 9 months without any real drop off in speed or power. Also, couple that with some quotes both Alex Ariza and Terri Tom had said about his intake and it started to become interesting at the least

going further on in this debate I have flucuated from full on thinking he didn't then did then kind of to the point now where I don't want him to be caught if he did because he is a good dude for our sport

but

my entire point, even though it makes me look like I hate Manny (I don't I hate his non sensical fans) and love Mayweather, is that the subject matter is valid and up for debate.

simple nothing more

yeah those points are valid for a debate like for example:

growth spurts in 9 months- i never really understood this since his in ring weight since his 130 days has always been around 139-144. So people always tell me dude gained 15 pounds in 9 months and I was like really where did those pounds go? He still weighs the same amount as a featherweight just less cutting.

speed- I actually think he's slower compared to the days he fought barrera the first time.

Ariza- The dude always has a flare for dramatic. He may just be exaggerating bit on the intake. It's not like he ever presented any chart where he documented manny.

Lastly- the funniest one is the head being huge. I've met manny when he was just 126 pounder and took pics with him. He's head compared to mine was bigger already. Dude has huge head

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yeah those points are valid for a debate like for example:

growth spurts in 9 months- i never really understood this since his in ring weight since his 130 days has always been around 139-144. So people always tell me dude gained 15 pounds in 9 months and I was like really where did those pounds go? He still weighs the same amount as a featherweight just less cutting.

speed- I actually think he's slower compared to the days he fought barrera the first time.

Ariza- The dude always has a flare for dramatic. He may just be exaggerating bit on the intake. It's not like he ever presented any chart where he documented manny.

He is slower than before. But however, he is still uber fast. And his foot speed. Just wow. I have never seen a fighter move up from 130-147 and be able to fly around the ring throwing that many punches. It's cause for su****ion. And when you look at the rest of the story...yikes.

[Eaner0919]

LOL wow why am I not suprised that you would just make things up to prove your non existant point?

um it's kind of true we talk about a lot of things on press row that never hit the light of day

right now I can think of at least three topics that has been discussed recently that I won't share and neither will anyone else.

I know it sounds false but it's commonplace for this to happen.

[JoeDaWg]

To put it simply, no. All this "ped" nonsense started after manny made floyd sr look like an ass. Instead of "I got out trained" or "manny's just better then ricky" we got the "he's on peds". It's pretty juvenile frankly. That's why the main stream press ran with it for about 2 weeks and then dismissed it just as they should have. There's the exact same evidence floyd jr is on peds. It's like saying MJ was on peds cause he jumped so high. Dude has been tested before and after every fight he's had just like everyone else. This whole topic is nothing more then a smoke screen by a family who's jealousy know no bounds. Now the entire world is calling jr a coward and the dude's acting like he's having a mid life crisis. Dude can't even get in his house without ending up on TMZ. Karma is a ***** I guess

I remember right before the cotto fight floyd sr. saying some **** like cotto will stomp pac cause pac has "no skills". Then right after the fight "uuhhh something must be going on". Right...cause it can't be that pac's a great fighter and u don't know what the **** ur talking about. That COULDN'T be it. Ahhh the mind of a crackhead. Someone should make a movie about these clowns.

[flipbjefrox]

He is slower than before. But however, he is still uber fast. And his foot speed. Just wow. I have never seen a fighter move up from 130-147 and be able to fly around the ring throwing that many punches. It's cause for su****ion. And when you look at the rest of the story...yikes.

i dont know about the foot speed. I am an avid maxboxing follower/subscriber in the days of Dougie and Steve Kim a local reporter from LA like 4-5 yrs ago and Steve Kim always fantasizes about pacquiao's massive calves and the repeated focus on foot work. That was right around the morales trilogy i believe where he would just marvel at his footwork. Even Emannuel Stewards use to say it in pac's earlier year that his balance was awful, and talked about fixing it. I dont know how that couldnt be fixed in the ring