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    #41
    Originally posted by Cuauhtémoc1502 View Post
    If Kahn was out on his feet then they would have stopped it. Even though Khan was hurt, he wasn't out on his feet. I thought he did excellent to survive and I'm glad Cortez didn't stop it.

    How many times have we seen refs stop the fight prematurely?
    im glad he didn't stop it either, but clearly khan was waivnig the whote flag. he was turning his back to maidana and walking away!!! then maidana would rush him and cortez would break it up??????? no warning to khan for turning his back to his competitor.

    what I'm trying to say about cortez is that I have no doubt that if roles were reversed and maidana was getting hammered, the fight would have been over.

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      #42
      he is both incompetent and unfair.

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        #43
        Originally posted by Sparked_1985 View Post
        His agenda changes.

        Hatton no inside fighting.

        Hopkins excessive clinching.

        Maidana allowed some inside fighting but constantly flipped the script.

        He's just soooooo old.

        He's still better than some of our British refs who will stop a fight at the first hint of trouble. Our refs would have stopped Khan in the 10th, but at the same time would have have jumped in when Khan had about 12 seconds to finish Maidana after the knockdown.
        he did not affect May/Hatton b.c floyd was ****ing hatton up on the inside and hatton was ineffective. actually, him breaking up the acting in their felt saved hatton, it didnt affect him. it affected floyd more than anything

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          #44
          The usual suspects wouldn't be complaining if Madiana got the supposed "partial" treatment that went on. Only the Brits would be complaining.

          I really have to watch this fight again because I didn't see much wrong except for the ****** point deduction.

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            #45
            I HONESTLY believe Cortez is on the payroll of someone he was favouring khan all through this fight - i believe he was instructed to allow minimal inside fighting - he was told to try and keep it at a distance as much as possible which favoured khan - he was constantly in maidanas face which was bound to effect him but STILL he almost got the job done and just look at the 2 faces after the fight maidana had not a mark but KHAN LOOKED LIKE HE HAD BEEN HIT BY A TRAIN !!!!

            THERE SHOULD BE A REMATCH - DIFFERENT REFEREE ASWELL..............

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              #46
              Originally posted by Derranged View Post
              The usual suspects wouldn't be complaining if Madiana got the supposed "partial" treatment that went on. Only the Brits would be complaining.

              I really have to watch this fight again because I didn't see much wrong except for the ****** point deduction.

              Read below for a very interesting take from Gabe MOntoya.


              Remember, this is the first really dangerous guy Khan has faced and for much of the fight, Khan had his way. Sure, a terrible Joe Cortez, who should have his Hall of Fame induction held off, in my opinion, helped by taking a point and not allowing the action inside to ever really develop but Khan showed a tenaciousness I didn’t expect.



              Khan was out in the tenth. I mean O.U.T. OUT. On his feet even. By my stopwatch, Khan didn’t throw a punch for one minute and 33 seconds after getting tagged by that right hand from Maidana in the tenth. 1:33. Then it was a quick flurry that landed and then Wobblesville after getting tagged again. In that minute and 33 seconds, Maidana was interfered with by Cortez four times. The first three, while having Khan in a vulnerable position. Khan turned his back to Maidana twice to start off with and each time, Cortez inexplicably broke them until Khan could get his bearings. Then later in the round, Khan is pitching forward, bent at the waist from two Maidana shots and Cortez again steps in to do Buddha knows what. Joe gets up in Maidana’s grill again later but that might’ve been because Marcos nearly went through the ropes after missing Khan’s melon with a wild shot. Add in that odd point deduction because Maidana elbowed Joe on accident and this was less than a Hall of Fame performance for Cortez. He was out of position nearly every time he went in to break action that didn’t need to be broken.



              Why he would stop the action when Khan turned away all hurt and looking to flee is beyond me. To me, that signifies a fighter surrendering. Seems clear to me. If he did it repeatedly, I’d warn him that next time, it’s at least a knockdown or the end of the fight. Instead, Cortez let Khan reorient himself and begin again.

              A lot of refs might’ve stopped that fight in the tenth. Khan did not respond offensively for a minute-and-a-half. And he looked shaky as Hell in the 11th and the 12th wasn’t much better.



              Does this make Khan look less tough in my eyes? No, not really. What it does is show that 1) Khan can be had, if hit on the beard and followed up precisely. 2) Khan is one tough bastard for surviving that onslaught, help from Joe or not. 3) If they fought again, I think Maidana loses again, only it’s boring as all get out. 4) Khan does not recover well when hurt. At all.



              In the “Tito” fight, Oscar ran and punched then stopped punching when he was exhausted and could only run. Khan fought in much the same way and when he tired, he dropped his guard and got caught. Then he had to run. For the first minute of the tenth, he was doing fine. It can happen to anyone who moved as much as Khan did all night. But will this alter him for the positive or negative? We will see.



              Personally, I am impressed Khan made it through. Ortiz folded in that situation. Khan pressed on (well, sideways and away but still).

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                  #48
                  Cortez is the reason Calzaghe looked bad against Hopkins, while Hatton wasn't allowed to fight close to Mayweather, and the moron kept pushing Maidana away from Khan. If a fighter turns there back than they will get hit with a punch behind the head.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Big Smoke View Post
                    this gif actually shows cortez doing the right thing, what do you want the ref to allow the fighter to just go to town on the back of a guys head? lol

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by ИATAS206 View Post
                      this gif actually shows cortez doing the right thing, what do you want the ref to allow the fighter to just go to town on the back of a guys head? lol
                      Don't turn your back. Stop running like a ***** and turning your back to your opponent because you're afraid to get hit on the chin. Why don't they deduct points from ***** fighters who turn there backs entirely to avoid a punch to the chin?

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