Manny Pacquiao: Skills or smart MATCH MAKING?

[straightleft]

As usual the *****s are always ready to discredit any Pacquiao achievements as they may thought it would be good for Floyd legacy. That is why I'm dying to see Pac ko prime Floyd and hear them what they gonna say but the sad thing is Floyd the coward doesn't want any part of Pac. So the discrediting continues! Pathetic.

[Bushbaby]

Both!!Pacman has been matched against Cotto in his 1st title fight at welterweight!!Cotto wasn't allowed to weight in at the limit!!Cotto has always been a fighter that can dish it,but couldn't really take return fire!!Clottey will never beat a fighter with Pacman's type of volume!!I don't know why in the hell Margarito got a shot for a 154 title at 150,I simply have no explanation for that 1!!!

[CarlosG815]

He won two rematches with Morales.

I am aware, and as I said, Morales was already past it in the first fight, and when he had fought him again he had taken a severe beating to Zahir Raheem. Is it a coincidence that after Rahim dismantled Erik 12 rounds to 0 that Manny fought the loser, and not the winner in Rahim?

Fighting the loser seems to be the M.O of Manny for the longest time. Morales had nothing left when he lost to Pacquiao, and he proved that when he got dismantled by the less skilled Rahim.

And afterward he would go on to lose to David Diaz. He has not done anything since his brutal beating at the hands of Rahim, as he was SHOT and not a live opponent. Those wins helped put Manny on the map, but they're not impressive.

He should have fought Rahim, but once again GREAT MATCHMAKING.

[CarlosG815]

As usual the *****s are always ready to discredit any Pacquiao achievements as they may thought it would be good for Floyd legacy. That is why I'm dying to see Pac ko prime Floyd and hear them what they gonna say but the sad thing is Floyd the coward doesn't want any part of Pac. So the discrediting continues! Pathetic.

I am praying for Pac to KO Floyd.

When Mosley landed that shot on Floyd I jumped up and about flipped my coffee table over.

I can not wait to see Floyd eat canvas.

[mikemurni]

I am aware, and as I said, Morales was already past it in the first fight, and when he had fought him again he had taken a severe beating to Zahir Raheem. Is it a coincidence that after Rahim dismantled Erik 12 rounds to 0 that Manny fought the loser, and not the winner in Rahim?

Fighting the loser seems to be the M.O of Manny for the longest time. Morales had nothing left when he lost to Pacquiao, and he proved that when he got dismantled by the less skilled Rahim.

And afterward he would go on to lose to David Diaz. He has not done anything since his brutal beating at the hands of Rahim, as he was SHOT and not a live opponent. Those wins helped put Manny on the map, but they're not impressive.

He should have fought Rahim, but once again GREAT MATCHMAKING.

Pac fought Morales because he wanted to redeem his loss against Morales in the first fight.. He fought him again the 3rd time because Morales exercise his right for the 3rd fight in his contract. Pac was obligated to give Morales a 3rd fight

He didnt get Raheem because Raheem got beaten by Freitas by the time he was finished with the trilogy.. Plus Pac was not 135 lb fighter then...

He fought Diaz as a tune-up on his first fight at LW. Had Dela Hoya chose to fight Marg instead of cherrypickin him as an opponent, he would have fought the top dogs at LW including Marquez himself..

[CarlosG815]

Pac fought Morales because he wanted to redeem his loss against Morales in the first fight.. He fought him again the 3rd time because Morales exercise his right for the 3rd fight. He didnt get Raheem because Raheem got beaten by Freitas by the time he was finished with the trilogy.. Plus Pac was not 135 lb fighter then...

He fought Diaz as a tune-up on his first fight at LW. Had Dela Hoya chose to fight Marg instead of cherrypickin him as an opponent, he would have fought the top dogs at LW..

So beating Morales at the tail end of his career, coming off the worst beating he had ever taken (to Rahim) is an impressive victory to you?

How do you feel about Danny Green and his dismantling of Roy Jones? Is that a good win?

[THE REED]

If you train hard you can be in tremendous shape, but if you don't have it you don't have it. Margarito will look in good shape in his next fight, but unless he fights a bum, he is not going to give an impressive performance. He is shot.

I was never sold on Jeff Lacy, and for you to claim that pitty patty slippy slappy joey zaggy took anything out of any fighter, you are clueless. He lost every big fight, including a beating to a SHOT Roy Jones Jr.

Jeff Lacy was a good hypejob but he was not the real deal.

That is like Berto fighting Manny and losing, then fighting Mosley and losing, then fighting Floyd and losing, then you say "Manny took it out of him" when in reality, Berto is not the real deal.

Lacy was missing too many variable to live up to the hype that was created about him and it showed when he fought higher levels of competition.

Please tell me what is Lacy's best win in your opinion, and which performance he was most impressive.

Where did I say he was the "real deal"

Stop putting words into my post.

What I said was... he was a very capable fighter.

That he was.

And, unless you've been in the ring with Calzaghe, and took his 1100 punches through 12 rounds... dont tell me what it will or will not do to you.

Point is... Lacy went into that fight looking one way.. and after that fight, he never fought the same again.

Yes he had a shoulder injury, but nothing about him was the same.. nothing.

Calzaghe did in fact take something out of Lacy IMO.

Never once did I say he was the "real deal".

But he WAS a capable fighter.

He had good speed, good power, and a hell of a chin.

Some fights do in fact take something out of you.

And bringing up the Roy fight... 4 years after getting smashed for Joe.. doesn't really prove "he was never that good because he lost to Roy".

[CarlosG815]

Where did I say he was the "real deal"

Stop putting words into my post.

What I said was... he was a very capable fighter.

That he was.

And, unless you've been in the ring with Calzaghe, and took his 1100 punches through 12 rounds... dont tell me what it will or will not do to you.

Point is... Lacy went into that fight looking one way.. and after that fight, he never fought the same again.

Yes he had a shoulder injury, but nothing about him was the same.. nothing.

Calzaghe did in fact take something out of Lacy IMO.

Never once did I say he was the "real deal".

But he WAS a capable fighter.

He had good speed, good power, and a hell of a chin.

Some fights do in fact take something out of you.

Where did I say you claimed him to be the "real deal?"

I said he is not the real deal, I put nothing in your mouth, those were MY words.

And you never answered my questions as to which is the best opponent he faced and what his most impressive performance was.

Please do so before you claim that Calzaghe ended his career with his pitter patter.

And I also like how you use "hindsight" to support your case, but when it goes against it you throw it out the window.

Looking at what these guys do after a certain fight says a lot about who they were in their last fight.

You say Lacy lost something to Joe, I say he never had it and what he went on to do afterwards proved that.

[mikemurni]

So beating Morales at the tail end of his career, coming off the worst beating he had ever taken (to Rahim) is an impressive victory to you?

How do you feel about Danny Green and his dismantling of Roy Jones? Is that a good win?

In other words, you are making things up on your claim that Pac ducked Rahim.

Anyway regarding the topic which you conveniently changed here's my reply: For one, Rahim beat Morales at LW. Second Rahim didnt give a bloated Morales a beating. He outslicked Morales.. In other words, it was a style mismatch for Morales who was fighting in a new weight.. Third, Morales was never KO'd in any of his previous fights, and Pac did it to him twice. Fourth, Morales other loss with Barrera was a FOTY with Morales showing that he still has the skills..

If you want to say Morales was shot at the 3rd fight then I agree with you. But the second fight, Morales was a little past prime and it was a good win for Pac...

[IMDAZED]

Where did I say you claimed him to be the "real deal?"

I said he is not the real deal, I put nothing in your mouth, those were MY words.

And you never answered my questions as to which is the best opponent he faced and what his most impressive performance was.

Please do so before you claim that Calzaghe ended his career with his pitter patter.

And I also like how you use "hindsight" to support your case, but when it goes against it you throw it out the window.

Looking at what these guys do after a certain fight says a lot about who they were in their last fight.

You say Lacy lost something to Joe, I say he never had it and what he went on to do afterwards proved that.

Totally agree. And he was just WAYYY out of his league against Calzaghe so in that respect, you have to give Joe his props.