So... when did Pac started using PEDS?

[tibbar]

Since Pac turned pro, he's been using PED's.

first A-Side Meth, which is easily available in the phillipines.
then standard steroids in the late 1999-2002.
then EPO Steroids/Hormones in 2004-2006
now, he uses newer strains of designer EPO steroids.

oh i see now please tell me what are you smoking? can i have some of that...

[cixthree]

Sorry, but I don't play the deflection game.

So is HBO telling the truth about Luis Castillo or not?

and there is no drastic change in Manny, hes been weighing in the 140s since he was a superfeather weight. He was knocking dudes silly since he was in the lower divisions.

So, what exactly is drastic about a career KO artist,

getting KOs?

Btw, what are Mannys excuses?

Not anyone elses, but Mannys.

Dude! ok, I'll go 1 by 1.....
1. I'm a boxing fan that witnessed the JLC fight as it happend. My eyes don't lie, JLC won the fight on pure aggression and consistant body work.
JLC also outlanded Floyd, I scored it 7-5 for JLC as did the announcers (Gifts are given in the sport, that was Floyds only gift win)..

2.Mannys drastic change.... It's not his power or him knocking guys out, it's his endurance at these higher weights. Granted, Manny has always had wind but this is too much.
Plus look at Mannys frame before the Diaz fight, weighing in at 130 then comming in at 140 is ok, but look at his frame.. Water weight and lean mass are the differences here. The 130 to 140 Manny was water weight/rehydration...
The 135 to 150 Manny is all lean mass.... How does a human do this in a matter of months you must ask.. It all started, meaning his jumps in weight and endurance when Alex joined.

The bigger you become, the less you can do in certain catergories. Endurance and speed are affected, power and strngth become greater but some things must give..

Example.....
You're telling me basically, Usain Bolt can gain 20 to 30 pounds of lean mass in 1 years time, and still be as fast or faster?

Please, just for fun. Name me one not just athelete but human being, that has gained mass and not lost but gained and kept evereything besides Manny and has not had the help of some sort of enhancments... I'll wait.

[ADP02]

It's pretty obvious you havent been watching or paying attention to this sport for very long.
Do a little research, put the puzzle 2gether then open your ears and eyes.

Clue #1... The fight before David Diaz (I forget who it was). But listen to the HBO announcer.. "You are witnessing the DECLINE"...

Clue #2... His very next fight (Alex has now joined the team).. Listen to the HBO announcers.............

From that point on, Team Pac has never looked back.. I know it's hard to believe, but to a person who pays attention it's harder to not question.

Clue #3... This whole circus is over 1 man wanting a full random drug test, and the other not wanting full random drug test..
Pussh all the BullShyt to the side and just look at the puzzle. By doing that, and not mixing emmotion you can simply not avoid atleast questioning if it's true...

Listen to the HBO crew's comments up to and including parts of the 6th round between Morales and Manny.

- Morales is taking Manny's punches well.
- I wonder if Manny is really a 130 fighter or if he really belongs at 126.
- No doubt that Manny is the more truer 126lber.
- Look at Morales chest ..... Morales is the bigger and stronger man.
- Morales is the more effective puncher.
- Morales is dominating with his jabs.
- Morales has brought a lot of energy tonight.
- Even with the Reyes gloves, Morales can take Manny's punches well.

A bit later
- Manny is so getting more accurate with his punches.
- Manny's punches are the crisper ones.
- Manny is so much stronger and more determined fighter.
- Manny's punches are affecting Morales's conditioning.
- You have to give it to Manny, .... What a comeback by Manny.


So if you looked at the first half of the Morales fight, it sounded a lot like you stated about Manny as a fighter on the decline BUT the HBO announcers contributed this to Manny not being a 130lb fighter .... then the 2nd half of the fight against Morales sounded a lot like what you think has happened to Manny since Manny got a new trainer .... that is Manny dominated.

From your theory one has to wonder what Roach had in Manny's water to go from having a very average first 6 rounds to dominating the fight and stopping Morales in the 2nd half. One has to question if Manny got a hold of some PEDs after the 5th round. How could Manny have possibly dominated someone that HBO said was the truer 130lbs(Morales).

Sounds dumb but that is how one thinks of those PED comments coming from Floyd fans. If you have no evidence, it's just speculation.

[cixthree]

Actually he contradicted himself in that very interview with Brian Kenny. At first he said "I'll take blood tests, just not the day of the fight." Then Kenny says "what about 14 days?" And that is when he said that stuff about the heavy training.

Trust me, you're not the only one who noticed that dude... These idiots will say "It's because Mannys english is not that good, he did'nt understand the question".. It was pretty simple to see he only speak good english or understands it when it's a puff question. shame shame shame

[cixthree]

Listen to the HBO crew's comments up to and including parts of the 6th round between Morales and Manny.

- Morales is taking Manny's punches well.
- I wonder if Manny is really a 130 fighter or if he really belongs at 126.
- No doubt that Manny is the more truer 126lber.
- Look at Morales chest ..... Morales is the bigger and stronger man.
- Morales is the more effective puncher.
- Morales is dominating with his jabs.
- Morales has brought a lot of energy tonight.
- Even with the Reyes gloves, Morales can take Manny's punches well.

A bit later
- Manny is so getting more accurate with his punches.
- Manny's punches are the crisper ones.
- Manny is so much stronger and more determined fighter.
- Manny's punches are affecting Morales's conditioning.
- You have to give it to Manny, .... What a comeback by Manny.


So if you looked at the first half of the Morales fight, it sounded a lot like you stated about Manny as a fighter on the decline BUT the HBO announces contributed this to Manny not being a 130lb fighter .... then the 2nd half of the fight against Morales sounded a lot like what you think has happened to Manny since Manny got a new trainer .... that is Manny dominated.

From your theory one has to wonder what Roach had in Manny's water to go from having a very average first 6 rounds to dominating the fight and stopping Morales in the 2nd half. One has to question if Manny got a hold of some PEDs after the 5th round. How could Manny have possibly dominated someone that HBO said was the truer 130lbs(Morales).

Sounds dumb but that is how one thinks of those PED comments coming from Floyd fans. If you have no evidence, it's just speculation.

You just hung yourself....
How is Manny a 126er but now he's a 150er now? And better? Stop it, just stop it

[Hasha]

Trust me, you're not the only one who noticed that dude... These idiots will say "It's because Mannys english is not that good, he did'nt understand the question".. It was pretty simple to see he only speak good english or understands it when it's a puff question. shame shame shame

hahahaha yeah man I already see that excuse coming. Not one of his devotees would ever suspect him though..

[DondiNeverLeft]

Pac was born on PEDS.

He started when he realized how easy he could get away with using because testing is weak.

When Floyd put the flashlight on him the Roach ran into the dark.

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[ADP02]

You just hung yourself....
How is Manny a 126er but now he's a 150er now? And better? Stop it, just stop it

lol!!! your too funny. Thanks for ANOTHER laugh. This was not me saying this. Just like your theory about HBO announcers stating the ridiculous comment that Manny is on the decline, as you stated, it was the HBO announcers that said that (126lb) comment. Manny had lost the first encounter between the 2 and was getting dominated during the 1st half of their 2nd encounter. So they presumed and speculated BEFORE the fight was even over because Morales was up by 3 rounds after 5 rounds.

The point was that just because a fighter is doing well or is on a streak it doesn't mean that he must have taken PEDs or some other way to get there. Floyd and his fans think that only Floyd can dominate naturally (not including his hand numbing drugs). Only Floyd can be skillful. That is NOT the case and you have NO PROOF just SPECULATION. Yet thru speculation, you make it sound like GOT YA MANNY ... you were on the decline according to HBO and now you dominated because of PEDS .... GOT YA MANNY!!! ...... BUT THAT IS CRAZY TALK when you have NO PROOF!!!


Now if you were more objective you would realize that Manny did carry his speed and power but his weight gain was not that much more on fight night when he was fighting at 130, 135, 140 and 147. You know that Floyd fans say this about Manny when Manny fans say that fighters like Margo are too big for Manny? Floyd fans say, Manny weighed on fight night in the 140s even in the lower weights ................ BUT that is a different topic and so they switch their tune once PEDs is being discussed.

Also, if you were a little more objective, you would realize that Manny has yet to KO a WW while he did KO guys at the lower weights.

This was all caused because Floyd ACCUSED Manny with no evidence ..... and unlike what you think, not Manny nor anyone else would find being ACCUSED of PEDs to be a compliment.

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[Vasyl’s dad]

Dude! ok, I'll go 1 by 1.....
1. I'm a boxing fan that witnessed the JLC fight as it happend. My eyes don't lie, JLC won the fight on pure aggression and consistant body work.
JLC also outlanded Floyd, I scored it 7-5 for JLC as did the announcers (Gifts are given in the sport, that was Floyds only gift win)..

2.Mannys drastic change.... It's not his power or him knocking guys out, it's his endurance at these higher weights. Granted, Manny has always had wind but this is too much.
Plus look at Mannys frame before the Diaz fight, weighing in at 130 then comming in at 140 is ok, but look at his frame.. Water weight and lean mass are the differences here. The 130 to 140 Manny was water weight/rehydration...
The 135 to 150 Manny is all lean mass.... How does a human do this in a matter of months you must ask.. It all started, meaning his jumps in weight and endurance when Alex joined.

The bigger you become, the less you can do in certain catergories. Endurance and speed are affected, power and strngth become greater but some things must give..

Example.....
You're telling me basically, Usain Bolt can gain 20 to 30 pounds of lean mass in 1 years time, and still be as fast or faster?

Please, just for fun. Name me one not just athelete but human being, that has gained mass and not lost but gained and kept evereything besides Manny and has not had the help of some sort of enhancments... I'll wait.

Doesn't matter what you or I seen,

"HBO said",

is all that matters,

according to your idiotic logic.



Manny isn't bigger than he was when he was at 130. He was coming into the ring on fight night at 140 + pounds. So all of your talk about "in a matter of months" is null and void.