Comments Thread For: Malignaggi: Without The Tests, Pacquiao Beats Mayweather

[Team Vitaminas]

LMMFAO.........................pauli has become very wise lately,pointing out shhit only a real pro boxer sees and knows.

[Championart]

see you just made the point I've been trying to make. These guys will and have talked out their ass. Paulie saying manny doesn't set up punches is similar to Roach saying Floyd is a runner. Everybody in boxing says b.s. which is why you have to screen out certain statements and come to opions on your own (Im speaking in general and I'm not trying to get onto you about this)

To keep it real, I have heard some of the most respectable people in boxing say some of the dumbest things concerning fighters, which is why I never take anyones word as the gospel truth...lol

Thats definitely true, but let me ask you this, what is your whole take on the Pac refusing to take the random blood and urine tests. You seem like a logical person does that not draw red flags and causes of concerns the way in which runs from these tests especially being an elite athlete and dominating in the way that he is.

[LeadUppercut]

Its called timing and knowing where your opponent will be and how he will react to certain punches.

You should actually be praising him for that, because having the ability to do something like that is truly amazing (just like the picture perfect punch he landed on marquez without looking).

I did bro, it was a "thing of beauty".....

But the chances of hitting Mayweather with that punch are fkn tiny.

Unless Manny can set it up with something.

[Hannibal Barca]

Why not???

Because I don't put much weight on fighters who most of the world has never seen fight. In my opinion, people over glorify past greats due to little more than mythic belief. We immortalize past greats in our hunger for legends. Fact is though, we don't really know how good Jimmy McLarin is or how he would have fared against modern fighters. His legacy is constructed around word of mouth, folk tales of you will. Modern athletes ***** those of the past and there's factual data to prove that. It's like trying saying Babe Ruth was a batter ball player than Griffey Jr. or Barry Bonds, when the opposite is blatantly obvious. People simply romanticize the past.

[GRUSTLER]

I agree... 100% great post, you should get green k.

But, what I am saying is don't give me this well look how Pac struggled at the lower weights and now is KO'ing fools at the bigger weights bull****. Because, there have been ATG fighters in the past that have done the same thing that Pac is doing.

The thing that got me is when Pac walked through Cotto's
power shots like he never got hit by them. Perhaps Manny
is just a tough bastard but by him refusing to agree to the
14 day cut off and get in the ring is making the tough theory
look more and more mute. Pac is supposed to be the best,
so why would some loss of blood stop him from putting on
a spectacular performance considering he had blood drawn
from him before and played basketball right after? The smart
thing for him to do is to take the tests because when it is
all said and done, Pac will look suspect not Floyd and that
right there is the truth.

[jrosales13]

I just want to know why McLarnin is not an ATG fighter. Can somebody explain that to me.

McLarnin holds wins against LaBarba, Villa, Mandell, Petrolle, Leonard, Corbett III, Ross, Canzoneri, Ambers, Singer, Taylor, Fuller,

9 are HOF'ers in that group (the ones in the bold). Including Labarba, Petrolle, and Mandell who he beat twice.

OK I give you that Leonard was shot. I won't argue that. He was not the great version of Leonard. Very true. But, still this man competed from flyweight to welterweight.

How is he not an ATG?

[Hannibal Barca]

see you just made the point I've been trying to make. These guys will and have talked out their ass. Paulie saying manny doesn't set up punches is similar to Roach saying Floyd is a runner. Everybody in boxing says b.s. which is why you have to screen out certain statements and come to opions on your own (Im speaking in general and I'm not trying to get onto you about this)

To keep it real, I have heard some of the most respectable people in boxing say some of the dumbest things concerning fighters, which is why I never take anyones word as the gospel truth...lol

But in my opinion, for the most part, Manny doesn't set up his punches. I personally don't think Paulie was talking out of his ass because he has no reason to. He has nothing at stake in regard to a Mayweather-Pacquiao bout, Roach however does. One of the fighters in the bout is his fighter, of course he has an agenda. It's boxing politics.

[Hannibal Barca]

I just want to know why McLarnin is not an ATG fighter. Can somebody explain that to me.

McLarnin holds wins against LaBarba, Villa, Taylor, Mandell, Singer, Petrolle, Leonard, Fuller, Corbett III, Ross, Canzoneri, Ambers.

9 are HOF'ers in that group (the ones in the bold). Including Labarba, Petrolle, and Mandell who he beat twice.

OK I give you that Leonard was shot. I won't argue that. He was not the great version of Leonard. Very true. But, still this man competed from flyweight to welterweight.

How is he not an ATG?

I answered your question.

But just our of curiosity, out of LaBarba, Villa, Taylor, Mandell, Singer, Petrolle, Leonard, Fuller, Corbett III, Ross, Canzoneri, Ambers, which have you seen fight and how many times?

[jrosales13]

Because I don't put much weight on fighters who most of the world has never seen fight. In my opinion, people over glorify past greats due to little more than mythic belief. We immortalize past greats in our hunger for legends. Fact is though, we don't really know how good Jimmy McLarin is or how he would have fared against modern fighters. His legacy is constructed around word of mouth, folk tales of you will. Modern athletes ***** those of the past and there's factual data to prove that. It's like trying saying Babe Ruth was a batter ball player than Griffey Jr. or Barry Bonds, when the opposite is blatantly obvious. People simply romanticize the past.

But, that is why you look at his resume and see the HOF'ers he beat.

[Khalid X]

Pacs KO has drastically increased after moving up in weight. I can't remember the quote exactly, so I wont blindly throw numbers out there, but it has indeed increased.

In his fights previous to the Clottey fight, he KO'd or TKO'd every single one of his opponents. I personally didn't see that power surge coming, especially after he'd failed to KO JMM and and aging Marco Antonio Barrera in fights before the surge .

I didn't see it either but lets really look at this for a second to see why pac was able to do what he did

Oscar De Le Hoya-
He hadn't made WW in several years and to top it off he tried to prove a point coming in lighter than Manny. He didn't even rehydrate up to 160 like most predicted (I truly believe this was intentional on Oscars part) and with all things considered, including his age and the fact he has never looked good against a southpaw, are we suprised that Pac, the smaller fighter was able to overwhelm him....leading to a TKO stoppage?


Ricky Hatton-
All before the fight we heard that Ricky is bigger and will bully Manny. Hatton feed into that and came face forward at Pac with no footwork. He didn't even fight Floyd like that, and just came at Manny, an explosive puncher, without any regard for defense. Are we really suprised that Manny Knocked him the **** out...lol?

Miguel Cotto-
Again another case of a guy not respecting Pac's power. Miguel actually had a good game plan, contrarty to popular belief, but abandoned it, and tried to brawl with Manny. He got caught and latter folded once he found out he couldn't hurt Manny. The rest was just a formality, leading to Cotto being stopped. If anything, this was the most shocking fight of all of them, but if Miguel better prepared mental, it would have been a totally different fight.


Joshua Clottey-
Dude stayed in a shell and let Manny tee off on him. No one should be suprised as Manny has energy for days


So in conclusion, these guys made it easier for Pac than it had to be. I mean Its like someone playing off of Kobe or Lebron and being surprise when they light you up for 50pts. Atleast thats how I look at it.