Comments Thread For: Malignaggi: Without The Tests, Pacquiao Beats Mayweather

[Khalid X]

Not to be funny but I truly believe that guy has boxing confused with streetfighter or mortal kombat....thinking you need 4-5 punch combos following by a special move for it to be considered "setting up punches"

[amonb]

Watch out for that Manny Pacquiao, he sets up punches like no other. I hear he is even the innovator of a new and deadly combination: a jab followed by a cross.

.... followed by a quick snooze!!!

[jrosales13]

I think JMM has a better case of winning the 2nd fight BUT
all in all both are debatable and you are right JMM was/is
still a good fighter.

My point is that I thought he did improve from the first fight to the second fight.

The first fight JMM clearly won more rounds. The only only reason it was debatable was cuz Pac got into a huge lead from the first two rounds. If you score that just who won the most rounds in that fight without the point system then JMM clearly won the fight. The only reason it is close is cuz of the point system.

But, the rematch, if you just count who won more rounds. You would see it became a lot closer then the first. Just by counting who won more rounds. Again I think Pac won cuz of the point system.

But, if you just count who won more rounds in the first fight to the rematch. You would see that Pac did do better in the rematch. Could be that he did improve somewhat.

[kidrak]

real talk....you can set a boxer up with just two punches. Tommy Hearnes use to set up his right hand with just one punch and his opponents never saw it coming. I just curious, not directed at you, what do you guys consider setting up punches.

dont mind them you know that a lot of people here in boxingscene are juveniles and dont know boxing..

[LeadUppercut]

no, because he said pac never sets his punches up. I just pointed out two instances in which he did, but you guys will only see what you want to see.

IMO the Hatton example proves that Pac does not setup his punches.....
he hit Hatton with a lead "no-look hook" whilst Hatton was coming forward with his hands low to load up on one of his own shots.

In the Cotto fight Pac was amazing.....
but moving in and unloading combinations is not setting up your punches.

The 3rd / 4th punches will be the ones that land, as-is usually the case with punches-in-bunches, but he does not create openings for a pre-determined attack.

For example, say your opponent is vulnerable to a left hook because he hangs his right hand out there..... Pac won't set up the hook behind a jab/bob, or move/feint to create the opening.

It's his style, he can usually just blow you outa there.

Getting to Mayweather will be a huge problem, because..... that is Mayweathers style.

[Khalid X]

Indeed, which is why I don't. However look at it this way. Floyd Mayweather was extremely offensive against both Shane Mosely and Emmanuel Augustus. Does that small sample reflect enough for me to claim Floyd is a offensive fighter? Not at all.

I understand were you are coming from, but paulie said he never sets up punches. Just off the top of my head I named two instances proving what he said was wrong. Thats like me saying Floyd never puts combos together. All someone has to do is point out his earlier fights, then what I just said is refuted.

I mean to be honest, these same professional boxers and world trainers claim Floyd is a runner. I know enought about boxing to know that Floyd never runs, and only moves to put himself in spots he's most effective. The reason I can come to this conclusion is because I do my best to look at things for what they really are, on top of watching fights over and over again. Am I an expert, far from it, but I always try to form my opinion on what I see and not what someone tells me (I pay attention to what they say, but it's not the deciding factor on things).

[Championart]

Gotta love Paulie he just speaks the truth without any remorse or fear of recourse. Bottom line Mayweather made Mosley look bad by neutralizing him, had nothing to do with age and Pac needs to take those tests and give us the fight of the century. Its only going to get worse and worse with more people growing su****ious of him. The general belief is that he's hiding something and no clean athlete allows themselves to be tarnished when all other elite athletes are going above and beyond willingly to prove themselves in an era flooded by designer drugs. If this was Mayweather he would deserve to be called out too and their would have been a non stop witch hunt for him by the media. Pac is lucky he's a media darling.

[jrosales13]

Exactly "All I know" is what the world is starting to know
AND that's Manny Pacquiao is looking suspect. I don't want him
to look suspect but rather take the tests and get in the ring.

I agree... 100% great post, you should get green k.

But, what I am saying is don't give me this well look how Pac struggled at the lower weights and now is KO'ing fools at the bigger weights bull****. Because, there have been ATG fighters in the past that have done the same thing that Pac is doing.

[Mr. Philadel]

maligna gay...is a ***** just like his idol gayweather i would love to watch them sucking their ****s in hbo ppv..

:gay::gay:

[Hannibal Barca]

I understand were you are coming from, but paulie said he never sets up punches. Just off the top of my head I named two instances proving what he said was wrong. Thats like me saying Floyd never puts combos together. All someone has to do is point out his earlier fights, then what I just said is refuted.

I mean to be honest, these same professional boxers and world trainers claim Floyd is a runner. I know enought about boxing to know that Floyd never runs, and only moves to put himself in spots he's most effective. The reason I can come to this conclusion is because I do my best to look at things for what they really are, on top of watching fights over and over again. Am I an expert, far from it, but I always try to form my opinion on what I see and not what someone tells me (I pay attention to what they say, but it's not the deciding factor on things).

You didn't consider the "never" to be an hyperbole? I did.

Floyd really isn't a combination puncher any longer. If you said as much, you'd have a valid stance.

I've personally never heard any world class, respectable trainer claim Floyd was a "runner". You usually here that mess from analyst and fans.