An Unbiased Look At Pacquiao-Mayweather

[FaustoGeraci]

Athletes can miss two tests every 12 months without repercussion. Sprinter Marion Jones passed an estimated 160 drug tests in her career before admitting she took steroids. Conte’s stable of BALCO athletes were caught only after USADA obtained a used syringe containing “the clear’’ -- a previously undetectable designer steroid -- and reverse-engineered a test for it.

There are other problems. The blood test for human growth hormone has been around since 2004, and an athlete has yet to be caught with it, perhaps because it can detect HGH going back only two days, if that. There still is no known test for autologous blood doping, where an athlete removes his own blood, stores it and re-infuses it to boost endurance by increasing his levels of oxygen-carrying red blood cells. Even the urine test for EPO, Conte insists, goes back only 19 hours if the drug is administered intravenously. And who knows what new-fangled designer steroids are out there.
“You could test every athlete every day, and even then you might miss something,” Kizer says. “You do what you can.”

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Interesting "Ring" article that references Kizer and Tygart (CEO of WADA)

Thank you.

[dans]

Fausto, wanna bet?

[check hook]

I have avoided this topic since it began, mostly because it was and is beaten to death. But after reading many people claim Pacquiao ducked Mayweather, I felt the need to post this and see what others thought.

First of all, I am a bigger Pacquiao fan than Mayweather. I own both career sets on DVD, and if Mayweather had of stayed with the same style he utlized at Jr. LW and LW, hands down Floyd would be my guy. Regardless, I have a lot of respect for both. They are clearly superior to the majority of their peers.

However, to claim Pacquiao is ducking Mayweather is fairly comical. Since Mayweather moved up in weight, he has hand picked nearly all of his opponents. His "fights" vs De La Hoya and Marquez were hard to watch, even for a hardcore fan. I appreciate the mastery in which he conducts his craft, shutting down opponents and not getting hit. However, his offense is horrible, and his pot shotting is also a disgrace to his talents. His performance vs Corrales (RIP) shows what he is capable of, but he would rather coast and put the audience to sleep.

From his interviews you can see he is in awe of Pacquiao's talents. Claiming he "has to be on something to be doing what he's doing" etc. shows where Floyd's head is at. Talking about the possibility of "dieing in the ring" are comments I have never, throughout Floyd's career, heard him discuss. Demanding olympic style drug tests is bull****. Not the idea itself (it would be great if olympic tests were as accurate as people think, they are not, i.e. Usain Bolt, but still are better than the commission tests). The problem with Floyd demanding that is it sets a precedent for boxers to go outside of their own sanctioning bodies and create their own rules. Hence, making the boxer bigger than the sport.

There is no way Pacquiao is ducking the test. You don't agree to 21 days and say no to 14 because you fear a fail, it's posturing over Mayweather's desire to make himself bigger than the sport. Different cultures bring different beliefs, and Pacquiao is of the age old Phillipino tradition that believes blood loss (even a small dose) makes you weak. It's mental, it's documented, and it should be respected. He was willing to do a test right after the fight as well, so to think he is somehow scared of Mayweather or the test is fairly ludicrous.

Listening to Roger and the rest of the Mayweather clan talk about Pacquiao being on some "secret drug the Phillipino military uses to walk through bullets"" etc. shows you where the true fear lies. If this fight does not get made, it is because Mayweather somewhere along the line (I think the Judah fight where he was getting it for the first 5 rounds) lost his supreme confidence. Look at his performance vs De La Hoya. Even against Hatton before the KO. I expect Floyd to walk through Mosley (a fight he conveniently takes after Mosley has been inactive for 16 months) but I don't expect Floyd to ever take on Pacquiao. As long as he can play the steroid card and make ridiculous demands outside of his own sporting sanctions he will avoid the fight. And the saddest part is the sheep that eat it up and allow him to do so.

do us all a favour and keep avoiding.......the diatribe you wrote is laced with errors.

[DuttyAlacrity]

another interesting find
"Resources aimed at the detection of doping may be specifically targeted and USADA
retains the right to test any athlete at any time."


pg 18

[carts]

I'm not on your level? You're right, I actually understand the sport of boxing.

You said in another thread I read that Floyd Mayweather is unbeatable and the best boxer alive. Now you're saying Williams beats him. You're a phony.

You're talking about 2006, I remember two years ago after his Quintana loss you saying that guys would movement like Floyd would beat him. Now you think Williams takes it. I don't give a **** how long your dumbass has been posting bull**** on this site. You embarrass Paul Williams fans because you are always condescending and never seem to know what the **** you're talking about.

Pacquiao did not fight the same fighter that Cotto beat? No ****, he has never faced Mosley. Are you that slow?

Damaged goods after one fight? Your argument that Mosley is better than Cotto is ******. HE LOST TO THE MAN. PERIOD.

Of course Floyd would of beaten Marquez at 135. But he WOULDN'T beat Paul and he's ducking him like the plague, he TURNED DOWN MARGARITO for 8 million, and HE IS SHOOK OF A LITTLE GUY NAMED MANNY that Paul Williams would destroy. Also, he showed up OVERWEIGHT for his Marquez fight. That's as soft as you.

Why do you think Paul said Manny would fight him before Floyd? Because Floyd is shook of any challenge. Fighting an old man coming off a year and a half layoff doesn't prove ****. Mosley is not even as good as Cotto. It's just hype. Quit repping Paul Williams, you make him look bad because you're an idiot. And if anybody thinks "burner aka no ceilings aka nobodycares" is a quality poster, you're a damn fool.

dont worry buddy nobody thinks burner is a good poster anyways...

[them_apples]

I have avoided this topic since it began, mostly because it was and is beaten to death. But after reading many people claim Pacquiao ducked Mayweather, I felt the need to post this and see what others thought.

First of all, I am a bigger Pacquiao fan than Mayweather. I own both career sets on DVD, and if Mayweather had of stayed with the same style he utlized at Jr. LW and LW, hands down Floyd would be my guy. Regardless, I have a lot of respect for both. They are clearly superior to the majority of their peers.

However, to claim Pacquiao is ducking Mayweather is fairly comical. Since Mayweather moved up in weight, he has hand picked nearly all of his opponents. His "fights" vs De La Hoya and Marquez were hard to watch, even for a hardcore fan. I appreciate the mastery in which he conducts his craft, shutting down opponents and not getting hit. However, his offense is horrible, and his pot shotting is also a disgrace to his talents. His performance vs Corrales (RIP) shows what he is capable of, but he would rather coast and put the audience to sleep.

From his interviews you can see he is in awe of Pacquiao's talents. Claiming he "has to be on something to be doing what he's doing" etc. shows where Floyd's head is at. Talking about the possibility of "dieing in the ring" are comments I have never, throughout Floyd's career, heard him discuss. Demanding olympic style drug tests is bull****. Not the idea itself (it would be great if olympic tests were as accurate as people think, they are not, i.e. Usain Bolt, but still are better than the commission tests). The problem with Floyd demanding that is it sets a precedent for boxers to go outside of their own sanctioning bodies and create their own rules. Hence, making the boxer bigger than the sport.

There is no way Pacquiao is ducking the test. You don't agree to 21 days and say no to 14 because you fear a fail, it's posturing over Mayweather's desire to make himself bigger than the sport. Different cultures bring different beliefs, and Pacquiao is of the age old Phillipino tradition that believes blood loss (even a small dose) makes you weak. It's mental, it's documented, and it should be respected. He was willing to do a test right after the fight as well, so to think he is somehow scared of Mayweather or the test is fairly ludicrous.

Listening to Roger and the rest of the Mayweather clan talk about Pacquiao being on some "secret drug the Phillipino military uses to walk through bullets"" etc. shows you where the true fear lies. If this fight does not get made, it is because Mayweather somewhere along the line (I think the Judah fight where he was getting it for the first 5 rounds) lost his supreme confidence. Look at his performance vs De La Hoya. Even against Hatton before the KO. I expect Floyd to walk through Mosley (a fight he conveniently takes after Mosley has been inactive for 16 months) but I don't expect Floyd to ever take on Pacquiao. As long as he can play the steroid card and make ridiculous demands outside of his own sporting sanctions he will avoid the fight. And the saddest part is the sheep that eat it up and allow him to do so.

great post and great punctuation

[IMDAZED]

Yeah Roach didn't have a problem, so? Arum did. It's Mayweathers fault for even demanding it. That's what killed the fight, every other point was agreed upon. I never said it was Arums and not Floyds. Stop putting words in my mouth when the plain text is there to see. Arum is an idiot for playing hardball, but at least he brought in a mediator. The proof of what I stated is on boxing talk by Greg Leon. Google it. And stop pretending like you're going out, you have no life.

You know I thought you had some points to make but after reading this, I realize you don't. You conveniently overlook what you want and I don't blame you. And anything thrown your way, you will excuse - or you'll just invent a story like a 60 day agreement chopped down to 45, etc. Or some pamphlet you found in Vancouver. Do us all a favor and cut the "unbiased" crap. Forty some odd pages later you've called Mayweather a b*tch, a hypocrite, and one step away from jail. Carry on, kid.

[Pacquiao'd]

He was willing to give Floyd 8, 7, and 7. At the time that was Floyd highest payday. Marg was the #1 WW, at the time had the best ww resume out of all top 10 WWs, he was the longest reigning title holder and at the time was unbeaten at WW for like 10yrs. How was that not ducking?

that not what floyd asked for

[Gutz]

dont worry buddy nobody thinks burner is a good poster anyways...

Truth right here...

[Castor_Troy]

I was at the Olympics in Vancouver. CBC was handing out pamphlets on drug testing and the side effects of taking drugs and blood transfusions etc. That's where I got my facts from. I assumed they were facts. They said the blood is taken up to 30 days prior to the events and immediately after, and that urine is random throughout. I tried looking it up through google but unfortunately I am having a hard time finding anything specific. So if the actual information being given out AT THE OLYMPICS is false, please provide me with facts stating that they do BLOOD tests throughout the games before events. BLOOD tests were said to be given 30 DAYS PRIOR to the event, immediately AFTERWARDS, and urine tests were random THROUGHOUT the actual event.

I do know for a fact (as does anybody who follows sports) that 10% of cheaters actually get caught. Many athletes don't get nailed until long afterwards (Marion Jones etc.) or not at all (Lance Armstrong, Usain Bolt etc.) That's being randomly tested all year. The masking agents are always ahead of the testing due to the laws placed to protect the athlete/cheater. Pacquiao did not have to agree to any testing, the sanctioning bodies have their own rules and govern the sport. This thread wasn't about if Pacquiao is clean or not (I think he is, but it doesn't matter). It's about a boxer (Floyd) thinking he's bigger than the sport and being the only boxer in the world that won't fight Pacquiao, and demands said tests.

You have provided enough facts and carried yourself well. All these idiots reply would be "Those are not facts yaddi yaddi". but they havent provided anything with substance. If what you have said was completely refutable then a simple link will do. but guess what they have done nothing.


GREEN for an OBJECTIVE POSTER.