Paulie Interview on Pac and Steroids

[cortdawg25]

Look I know paulie talks a lot of ****, and to be honest I haven't spoken much on the whole steriod issue one way or another, because I really don't know what to think. But Paulie was making a lot of sense in the interview at the khan presser. Talking about pac's performance against clottey I like most people thought pacquiao's workrate was astonishing, but not unrealistic because we have seen other fighters do it, micky ward, joe calzaghe just to name a couple.

But Paulie made some pretty interesting observations, first he picked up on the fact that so many of pac's punches had almost everything behind them, a lot of fighters with great workrate in the past, a lot of the mexican guys for example throw a lot of sequential and fluent combinations in the pocket, but not huge power in each shot, normally there 1 or 2 power punches mixed in the combination here and there. But manny is litterally for a lot of that fight loading up and hammering power shots to the body and head, over and over, resetting and then over again. This leads me to the next point paulie talked about, the issue of overtraining was mentioned which has always been at the back of my mind, im surprised manny has never overtrained for any of his fights, especially when he was struggling to make weight. Look trust me when I tell you I am a huge fan and there is nothing that would please me more than to know for sure manny was clean, but I just re-watched the pac-clottey fight and I can kind of see what paulie is talking about.

If he was using, how deep do you guys think the problem is? How long? Who in the team or at the wild card would know about it in your opinions?

yeah he made a lot of sense if u not looking thru Pac goggles. Also coupled witht he fact that Manny doesn't want to take proper test. I'm sold on he is cheating!


never overtrains and fresh from rd 1 -12 with all the energy he exerts. Take a test to back up what we been seeing!

[sunny31]

yeah he made a lot of sense if u not looking thru Pac goggles. Also coupled witht he fact that Manny doesn't want to take proper test. I'm sold on he is cheating!


never overtrains and fresh from rd 1 -12 with all the energy he exerts. Take a test to back up what we been seeing!

Look thats all I am saying, I am not solid either way like I mentioned before I honestly don't know. But I just don't think paulie has an agenda here, he normally calls it like he sees it whether you think that is BS or not then thats your opinion. But from a technical purely boxing point of view the points he made were eye opening.

Yeah a lot of these posters don't know how to stay on topic, and haven't got the slightest idea how to stay impartial...pretty pathetic

[sunny31]

Could it be that he is just blessed with it. It's not like he does not have the workrate or the power combo or the stamina before the Diaz fight. Check out the Barrera fight. You can go as low as the Ledwaba or Sasakul fight. He was still unrefined but you could see the raw talent in there. If his past performances gave no indication that he has that natural ability then Paulie's statements would have more validity. On side note, ask yourself what does Paulie stand to gain in all of this?
1. Publicity
2. Justification for his performances against Cotto compared to Pac
3. Justification for his performances against Hatton compared to Pac
4. Acknowledgment of his contribution to the war against drugs?

I genuinely believe that paulie is not trying to get publicity, maybe at first, he is an outspoken guy anyway, and to be honest he didn't bring any of it up at the press conference...roach did. Then paulie only discussed it when he was asked questions about it. The points he made specifically from a boxing point of view were pretty interesting and I can see the angle. No doubting pac's talent before even the barrera fight, but I REPEAT I have never seen anyone fight the way he did against clottey, at that level, with that workrate throwing that amount of punches with that kind of velocity...I have never seen that and I don't think anyone else has

[sunny31]

Manny's punch stat average
TOTAL PUNCHES PER ROUND
WGT. LANDED/THROWN/PCT. WGT. CLASS AVG.
112 13/50/26% 18/62/29%
122-126 21/64/33% 18/57/32%
130-135 20/69/30% 19/64/30%
140-147 29/68/43% 19/58/33%
FLYWEIGHT STATS COMPILED FROM FOUR FIGHTS, THREE OF WHICH WERE TITLE FIGHTS. FOUR OPPONENTS HAD A COMBINED 104-10-1 RECORD WHEN THEY FOUGHT PAC. PAC FLYWEIGHT AVERAGES WERE WELL BELOW THE WGT. CLASS AVG. HIS OUTPUT AT 122-126 & 130-135 INCREASED FROM FLYWEIGHT, BUT WAS AROUND EACH WGT. CLASS AVG. HIS PUNCHES LANDED AT 140-147 (LAST 3 FIGHTS- VS. FUTURE HALL OF FAMERS COTTO & DELAHOYA AND BORDERLINE HALL OF FAMER HATTON) MORE THAN DOUBLED (UP 123%) HIS FLYWEIGHT NUMBERS, WHILE PUNCHES THROWN ROSE 36%. HIS PUNCHES LANDED AT 140-147 ARE 53% ABOVE WGT. CLASS AVG.

look I hear what he is saying, It is a little strange that all of a sudden Pac rattles off over 100 punches per round and a lot of power punches 682. Thats 50 morepower punches than he threw total punches against Marquez in their first battle.

Thats all im saying. There is a reason he was able to throw those punches because clottey wasn't as competitive as cotto, morales, marquez,etc. But It was the way that workrate came out, such velocity in the punches...it was extremely unusual I have never seen anything like it does that add up to anything?...not sure but the points are valid

[May1stGLASSTEST]

there will always be a low life haters like PAULIE when you are best p4p fighter on planet and top 10 ATG!

[DiLLiNGER]

have you ever heard of shaolin or any other kung fu training? Or even karate?

Their science of hitting isn't just the body. The mind/body culture is such that you use minimal effort with maximum output. What we see is only the "visible"...internal training such as mind training is main thing about this kind of training.

Did you see the stick training that pacquiao uses? It is unheard of in boxing until pacquiao employed it.

Why and how do i know these? Because i used to practice jeet kune do (bruce lee's art), kali (fma) and now into tai chi (internal arts).

Pacquiao employs not just the physical training but mind/spiritual training.

what ever mr.miyagi!!!!!!!!!

[DiLLiNGER]

He had to take up roids after the jmm fight,he was done after the last fight (so many thought) then he comes back like hercules,take the test manny,and if you don't wanna take the test at least stop making ****** threats ..just get on with your life.

[Manuel6]

Look I know paulie talks a lot of ****, and to be honest I haven't spoken much on the whole steriod issue one way or another, because I really don't know what to think. But Paulie was making a lot of sense in the interview at the khan presser. Talking about pac's performance against clottey I like most people thought pacquiao's workrate was astonishing, but not unrealistic because we have seen other fighters do it, micky ward, joe calzaghe just to name a couple.

But Paulie made some pretty interesting observations, first he picked up on the fact that so many of pac's punches had almost everything behind them, a lot of fighters with great workrate in the past, a lot of the mexican guys for example throw a lot of sequential and fluent combinations in the pocket, but not huge power in each shot, normally there 1 or 2 power punches mixed in the combination here and there. But manny is litterally for a lot of that fight loading up and hammering power shots to the body and head, over and over, resetting and then over again. This leads me to the next point paulie talked about, the issue of overtraining was mentioned which has always been at the back of my mind, im surprised manny has never overtrained for any of his fights, especially when he was struggling to make weight. Look trust me when I tell you I am a huge fan and there is nothing that would please me more than to know for sure manny was clean, but I just re-watched the pac-clottey fight and I can kind of see what paulie is talking about.

If he was using, how deep do you guys think the problem is? How long? Who in the team or at the wild card would know about it in your opinions?

This has always been my contention. There are in fact superior athletes in this world. They have gifts that allow them to rise above and beyond the good. However, Pacquiao seems to possess every gift in the bag. He wins the 100 meter runs and the marathons, and for good measure wins the shotput too. It just doesn't make sense. He's never overtrained; struggles to make weight (allegedly), yet weighs in at 144 against Cotto only to rehydrate to 150 on fight night (how is this possible for someone with a weight retention problem), and for all practical purposes has not shown one negative consequence to his fast rise through the weight classes- not one...nothing.

Mike Tyson was a very gifted athlete, but with all his gifts I don't think he could throw 1,200 bombs per fight. Ali, Mayweather, Martinez (Sergio), Mosley are gifted athletes, exemplifying great combinations of power, speed, endurance, agility, and coordination. Nevertheless, none has ever shown anything that is as freakish as what Manny does regularly. Manny seems to be greater than great and that merits an eyebrow or two.

[sunny31]

This has always been my contention. There are in fact superior athletes in this world. They have gifts that allow them to rise above and beyond the good. However, Pacquiao seems to possess every gift in the bag. He wins the 100 meter runs and the marathons, and for good measure wins the shotput too. It just doesn't make sense. He's never overtrained; struggles to make weight (allegedly), yet weighs in at 144 against Cotto only to rehydrate to 150 on fight night (how is this possible for someone with a weight retention problem), and for all practical purposes has not shown one negative consequence to his fast rise through the weight classes- not one...nothing.

Mike Tyson was a very gifted athlete, but with all his gifts I don't think he could throw 1,200 bombs per fight. Ali, Mayweather, Martinez (Sergio), Mosley are gifted athletes, exemplifying great combinations of power, speed, endurance, agility, and coordination. Nevertheless, none has ever shown anything that is as freakish as what Manny does regularly. Manny seems to be greater than great and that merits an eyebrow or two.

thanks for reading my first post and replying accordingly...up until saturday I was almost 100% sure pac was not cheating, but that performance just didn't sit right with me after watching it again. The first time I watched it I thought it was very impressive and couldn't believe how many peeps on here were critiscising it, and saying floyd would destroy pacquiao based on that! I felt like saying, did you actually watch that fight? Yeah he got hit, but clottey is a world class fighter and got dominated badly...I don't belive floyd could do that to clottey, no way! After watching it a few times then reading paulie's comments and going back and watching it a couple of more times it dawned on me how unbelievable the performance was and his output was.

Look I know this sport well enough, I have competed as an amateur and know how hard some of these top pro's work I have trained with low level professionals, so what these top guys put themselves through...trust me I get it, but knowing what I know I can't help it if these thoughts about pac are there in my head, because it is now above and beyond what anyone has ever done. I mean if he fought with that workrate and velocity on his punches at some of the lower weights then that would be unbelievable but to do it at a weight where he has to actually build up to is crazy.

Like I have said before I would love to be able to say in 20 years that I was around when manny pacquiao was in his prime, and what an amazing fighter he was, and that he was clean

[Manuel6]

thanks for reading my first post and replying accordingly...up until saturday I was almost 100% sure pac was not cheating, but that performance just didn't sit right with me after watching it again. The first time I watched it I thought it was very impressive and couldn't believe how many peeps on here were critiscising it, and saying floyd would destroy pacquiao based on that! I felt like saying, did you actually watch that fight? Yeah he got hit, but clottey is a world class fighter and got dominated badly...I don't belive floyd could do that to clottey, no way! After watching it a few times then reading paulie's comments and going back and watching it a couple of more times it dawned on me how unbelievable the performance was and his output was.

Look I know this sport well enough, I have competed as an amateur and know how hard some of these top pro's work I have trained with low level professionals, so what these top guys put themselves through...trust me I get it, but knowing what I know I can't help it if these thoughts about pac are there in my head, because it is now above and beyond what anyone has ever done. I mean if he fought with that workrate and velocity on his punches at some of the lower weights then that would be unbelievable but to do it at a weight where he has to actually build up to is crazy.

Like I have said before I would love to be able to say in 20 years that I was around when manny pacquiao was in his prime, and what an amazing fighter he was, and that he was clean

No problem. I, like you, don't want to come out and call him a cheater. But, his performances are so far beyond the norm that it leaves you scratching your head. Boxing skill aside, his physical performances are absolutely incredible, especially when you consider that he has had to do it in a weight class almost 20 pounds north of where he was just a few years ago. And as if that weren't enough, he's fighting in a weight class that is full of talented, strong boxers and embarrasing them. It does not add up. In every sport, there is one best person; however, most "great" others are somewhere in the neighborhood. This is not true with Pacquiao. He's in his own class. Last time I saw something similar to this, I was watching a guy name Bonds make MLB pitchers look foolish...