W. KlitschkO Fight Predictions

[hollister]

That sounds like you're trying to convince yourself, and not me.

And that sounds like you've got nothing to say. **** it, I did my part lol

[hollister]

The knockdown had very little bearing on the fight. I corrected you because you were inferring it wasn't caused by a punch. Williamson timed him, caught him cold with a good shot. Wlad wasn't hurt, but he went down from the punch to a knee, which is knockdown.

That fight was a write off really. Williamson lost the 1st 3 rounds because he was reluctant to fight. But because he didn't really get to Williamson in the 3rd, it didn't help him to get clipped and go down like that, even if he wasn't hurt. You know when the ref started counting and the crowd went wild he was thinking it wasn't a good thing.

The 5th was an akward round for both fighters, and then Wlad got brutally cut (accidental) and it was stopped. He deserved the win, but I don't think the fight did anything for him in terms of getting some confidence and momentum back.

If he blows away Castillo like Moli, that will help. After that he should fight Michael Moorer. That would be a good fight for him and good win.

Ok, fine. But for the record, I did say that he was squared when he got hit, I made it clear from the start that it was legitimate KD, just not a big KD like what wa being said,

[Neuraxis]

Keep me out of it. I said no such thing. I wrapped-up by saying that we'll see what happens once Vlad takes a flush shot. He'll either start falling apart or keep it together, nothing simpler than that.

It was targeted at Bozo as his name was in bold not yours. If you want to stay out of it, don't quote threads that aren't aimed at yourself and have little if anything to do with you.

[Bozo_no no]

You're ****ing insane.

ask anyone you like, and they'll tell you who the champ is (Ring ****zine).

No, there are A LOT of people who feel the title is vacent until something is solved between the 3 title holders. That's a lot of people that are

------ ****ing insane-------

You can say what you want about his opposition, but one fact remains; all his defenses are by KO, no paid refs, no paid judges, just heads bouncing off the canvas, the most convincing way to win a fight.

That was a 260 pound Kirk Johnson, and Danny Williams (Ko'd in 6 rounds by Sinan Samil Sam), and an out of shape almost 40 year old Corrie Sanders (who was KO'd in 2 rounds by Nate Tubbs).

You see how that works?

I won't say you're crazy to believe he's the top Heavyweight, but there is a legit claim to the spot for Byrd as well.

Byrd has been defending his title since 2002 (A win is a win), and he holds a "W" over Klitschko.

Ruiz has (a small) claim as well. He clearly beat the guy Vitali's about to fight next for the title, and has been winning since.

The bottom line, is until one of them beats the other or gets the WBA, there is a case for both sides.

And maybe having King around isn't a bad thing, but if he doesn't want King controlling his finances or career, then he shouldn't have to Sign with the devil just to dispatch two pretenders.

Vitali has said he wants to unify all 3 major titles. Period. King isn't going to not-be involved in that.

So its really a moot point.

Add to that the money he'll make, and its only a matter of time.

[hollister]

No, there are A LOT of people who feel the title is vacent until something is solved between the 3 title holders. That's a lot of people that are




That was a 260 pound Kirk Johnson, and Danny Williams (Ko'd in 6 rounds by Sinan Samil Sam), and an out of shape almost 40 year old Corrie Sanders (who was KO'd in 2 rounds by Nate Tubbs).

You see how that works?

I won't say you're crazy to believe he's the top Heavyweight, but there is a legit claim to the spot for Byrd as well.

Byrd has been defending his title since 2002 (A win is a win), and he holds a "W" over Klitschko.

Ruiz has (a small) claim as well. He clearly beat the guy Vitali's about to fight next for the title, and has been winning since.

The bottom line, is until one of them beats the other or gets the WBA, there is a case for both sides.





Vitali has said he wants to unify all 3 major titles. Period. King isn't going to not-be involved in that.

So its really a moot point.

Add to that the money he'll make, and its only a matter of time.

First, I don't know where those people are, the vast majority of boxing fans I have spoken to, or heard speak, whether it be in person, on television, or in forums like this one have said they believe VK is the most legitimate champ of the three, but that's heresay. secondly, there is no doubt in my mind that Sanders would KO Quendo, and Maybe Ruiz, even now, and yes he was KO'd by Tubbs, how many years ago? And he knocked Rahman nearly out of the ring before losing. Kirk, even in his bloated state, would KO Quendo, not sure about Ruiz. Danny would certainly be able to stop Quendo, if he came to fight like against VK, might lose a decision to manhugger Ruiz. A win is a win, right? My point is this, Ruiz and Byrd have both srtuggled with their defenses, VK has not. And if he goes ahead and signs with DK, good for him, but if he doesn't want to, he shouldnt have to, that's just DK's way of saying he knows what everyone else knows, that niether of his cash cows could ever beat a healthy VK.

[Bozo_no no]

First, I don't know where those people are, the vast majority of boxing fans I have spoken to, or heard speak, whether it be in person, on television, or in forums like this one have said they believe VK is the most legitimate champ of the three, but that's heresay. secondly, there is no doubt in my mind that Sanders would KO Quendo, and Maybe Ruiz, even now, and yes he was KO'd by Tubbs, how many years ago? And he knocked Rahman nearly out of the ring before losing. Kirk, even in his bloated state, would KO Quendo, not sure about Ruiz. Danny would certainly be able to stop Quendo, if he came to fight like against VK, might lose a decision to manhugger Ruiz. A win is a win, right? My point is this, Ruiz and Byrd have both srtuggled with their defenses, VK has not. And if he goes ahead and signs with DK, good for him, but if he doesn't want to, he shouldnt have to, that's just DK's way of saying he knows what everyone else knows, that niether of his cash cows could ever beat a healthy VK.

The best of a poor group of 3 doesn't make a unified undisputed champion.

He hasn't beaten either of them yet, and until he does, the jury's out.

It doesn't make a difference that some wins are ugly and some are easy when they're not facing the same fighters. None of those fights you mention are sure fire bets, and they haven't happend.

So what you're left with is 3 guys with a Major title who all have partial right to say they're the real champion.

Its only a matter of time before they do fight eachother, and when they do, Don King will be involved.

My point was, Vitali (if he keeps winning) will fight for the WBA and or the IBF, and there's no way that won't be against a Don King fighter.

My origional point was, if he's going to have to work out fighting a King title holder at some point, whats the difference if he would have just done it, or does in 9 months from now?

The division needs a tourney like King did at Middleweight.

[Stickman]

Some of you guys apparently think that all a champ has to do to unify is to tell the other champs "Ok, let's fight..I want your belt", and a few months later they fight. Nothing could be further from the truth about how things actually work. And even Vlad, who's performed poorly in his last several fights, can't expect a top opponent to drop everything and step into the ring. Vlad, in particular, is in a bad position. He's a very talented and skilled boxer, who lost confidence and has had some nasty performances. But who wants to fight him? Not Byrd....too big a risk for Chris. Vlad beat the crap out of him last time, and there's nothing that says that won't happen again. Same with any other top 20 fighter. Who'd step into the ring with such an unknown quantity? Sure, it'd be great if it turns out to be the same Vlad who panics the second he gets hit once, but what if it's the other Vlad...you remember him...the one who beats the crap out of everyone he gets in the ring with? Nobody wants to take the risk, not for the money that fight would pay...and so Vlad has to work his way back through the ranks, making himself a bigger draw with each fight, until he's attractive enough (money-wise...knock that **** off) to other top fighters that they're willing to risk stepping into the ring with Vlad for the money it'll pay.

And Vitali can't unify until he can get a reasonable deal for a fight with another champ. It's as simple as that. If Byrd or Ruiz want to ask for too much money or other unreasonable demands to delay unification bouts, why should Vitali get screwed by King or his fighters just to get a unification bout? He's the one with the "big belt", let the other fighters be the ones that take any ass-****ings that are going to be dealt out by Don King.

[dodge]

Wlad by TKO 4.

[Bozo_no no]

And Vitali can't unify until he can get a reasonable deal for a fight with another champ. It's as simple as that. If Byrd or Ruiz want to ask for too much money or other unreasonable demands to delay unification bouts, why should Vitali get screwed by King or his fighters just to get a unification bout? He's the one with the "big belt", let the other fighters be the ones that take any ass-****ings that are going to be dealt out by Don King.

Do you know what Money Byrd or Ruiz asked for in a proposed Klitschko fight?

Do you know that Vitali was going to get screwed?

There's a deal to be made with promotional options on his future fights should he win. The bottom line is that it's only a matter of time before he does it.

A Heavyweight signing with Don King isn't as negative as you're making it out to be. Look at what King got for (an undeserving) Golota.

Klitschko will sign with King when he attempts to unuify. There's too much money to be made having King able to market
a unified white champion (assuming he's successful).

[Bozo_no no]

Vlad, in particular, is in a bad position. He's a very talented and skilled boxer, who lost confidence and has had some nasty performances. But who wants to fight him? Not Byrd....too big a risk for Chris. Vlad beat the crap out of him last time, and there's nothing that says that won't happen again. Same with any other top 20 fighter. Who'd step into the ring with such an unknown quantity?

That really looks away from the fact that the reason he's in that position is because of those poor losses.

Wlad looked to be okay after the Moli and Nicholson fights, but the Brewster loss really hurt him. Following a -nothing seemed to go right- performance agaisnt Williams, he needs to knock out a guy like castillo, and then maybe look at fighting a guy like Michael Moorer or Oleg Maskiev or Michael Grant. Someone a step up from
Castillo with a bigger name.

At that point, there would be more interest in him against a top 10 opponent, and his confidence would be somewhat restored.

As it is now, there's no way he sould be fighting for a title. He neads to earn his way back into the mix.