Comments Thread For: Devin Haney joins VADA 24/7/365 program

[Boro]

24/7/365 VADA is NOT a requirement for the WBC Clean Boxing program. Get your facts straight.

Where did i mention 365!? you get your facts straight...

Signing up to "random testing" throughout the year is practically no different than the CBP especially when they text/email you ahead of time for your whereabouts.

Hence why I mentioned it being only done for PR spin and if you're being genuine you know this to be true.

Especially when Haney is working with Conte, who is involved with both Snac and VADA and is known for what he's known for...

[boxingitis]

Ok, so you're saying that VADA has Conte's stamp of approval, got it! I haven't found anything that links Conte to VADA though, that's why I don't understand how VADA benefits Devin in any way..

The same way I can't prove that Devin is cheating, I can't prove Conte work together with VADA, but somethings is suspect. I don't have all the inside info.

Both Sunnye Edwars and Ryan both say SNAC guys are cheating. They must know more than you and me, they talk to other boxers.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

The same way I can't prove that Devin is cheating, I can't prove Conte work together with VADA, but somethings is suspect. I don't have all the inside info.

Both Sunnye Edwars and Ryan both say SNAC guys are cheating. They must know more than you and me, they talk to other boxers.

Ok, you're assuming Devin is cheating as well as assuming that Conte is working with VADA. Wether your assumptions are correct or not, for the time being and until it is proven to be a fact, Devin should be given the benefit of doubt. He's never popped dirty nor been accused of being dirty, except by Ryan, who's word means nothing considering all the garbage he's posted on social media in the past. I'm not just talking about the racist remarks that the man has spewed, but the weird stuff that he's posted on social media prior to the night of his fight with Devin.

I understand that Devin is much bigger than the guys he's fought at 135 and 140, but he's never missed weight for the weigh ins. I understand that it bothers folks, especially the fans of the guys he has beaten, but he's abiding by the rules.

Same for Conte, as far as his association with VADA. I've found nothing that connects Conte with VADA so I can't truthfully say VADA is working with Conte's just because Conte might have endorsed them recently or in the past.

[champion4ever]

Where did i mention 365!? you get your facts straight...

Signing up to "random testing" throughout the year is practically no different than the CBP especially when they text/email you ahead of time for your whereabouts.

Hence why I mentioned it being only done for PR spin and if you're being genuine you know this to be true.

Especially when Haney is working with Conte, who is involved with both SNAC and VADA and is known for what he's known for...

This is what I can agree with. Of course, it's part of a PR stunt by Team Haney to help bolster their lawsuits against both Ryan Garcia, Oscar De La Hoya and Golden Boy Promotions.

[boxingitis]

Ok, you're assuming Devin is cheating as well as assuming that Conte is working with VADA. Wether your assumptions are correct or not, for the time being and until it is proven to be a fact, Devin should be given the benefit of doubt. He's never popped dirty nor been accused of being dirty, except by Ryan, who's word means nothing considering all the garbage he's posted on social media in the past. I'm not just talking about the racist remarks that the man has spewed, but the weird stuff that he's posted on social media prior to the night of his fight with Devin.

I understand that Devin is much bigger than the guys he's fought at 135 and 140, but he's never missed weight for the weigh ins. I understand that it bothers folks, especially the fans of the guys he has beaten, but he's abiding by the rules.

Same for Conte, as far as his association with VADA. I've found nothing that connects Conte with VADA so I can't truthfully say VADA is working with Conte's just because Conte might have endorsed them recently or in the past.

I can make assumptions and opinions, Right?

The same thing people "believe" Boxer A is going to beat Boxer B, I can state that I "believe" that they are working together. If you want to take it literally that's up to you.

Example: Benavidez will beat Morrell

Do I need to prove it as well?

It's funny that Ryan didn't failed any test "until" he wooped Devin. He never failed during the lead up the fight and he never failed any Drug test through out all his career.

As far as I know I can Assume whatever I want and make my own Opinions.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

I can make assumptions and opinions, Right?

The same thing people "believe" Boxer A is going to beat Boxer B, I can state that I "believe" that they are working together. If you want to take it literally that's up to you.

Example: Benavidez will beat Morrell

Do I need to prove it as well?

It's funny that Ryan didn't failed any test "until" he wooped Devin. He never failed during the lead up the fight and he never failed any Drug test through out all his career.

As far as I know I can Assume whatever I want and make my own Opinions.

Of course you can, opinions are what make Forums fun and informative. With that being said, you were implying that Devin is using PEDs, that's a little bit more than an opinion. What is not an opinion is that Devin has yet to test positive for any PEDs, that's a fact. As for Ryan, he did test positive for a PED, that isn't an opinion. Now, I'm of the opinion that Ryan took Ostarine purposely to try and shed those extra pounds that he was having difficulty with. I don't believe he was micro dosing nor do I believe that Devin was battered by Ryan due to Ostarine.

I'm not gonna argue why Ryan tested positive because I don't know, I can speculate but that doesn't prove anything. You think that Ryan didn't take PEDs and he tested positive under su****ious circumstances? Cool, I might feel different but I'm not gonna argue your opinion. What I was pointing out was that there is no proof that Devin is taking PEDs nor is there any proof that Devin and Conte are somehow working with VADA to somehow pass a PED test or to set up Ryan, which is what you were implying...

It's all good bro, I'm not trying to take your thoughts away nor am I trying to disrespect you in any way. I simply stated how I feel based on the facts that are at hand and not on my assumptions...

[BrankoB]

This. People don't understand that a big reason the testing bodies exist is to make money in order to give the appearance of clean fighters. They play ball and hide stuff.

Conte knows how to mask better than anyone and there are blood doping techniques that cannot be detected at all. You work with Conte to get away with it, not to be clean.

It's honestly funny because R Garcia came up with a millionth of a gram of cheap and basically useless SARM in his test, showing that he isn't doping or trying to hide stuff. They originally said he was on steroids, but they backed off because apparently they couldn't get away with it. Garcia was just goofy enough to use an OTC supp that had the SARM in a minute level. If Garcia wanted to dope at a high level, he has millions. He wouldn't be using a cheap SARM that does next to nothing.

At the highest level all of these guys are doing stuff inbetween fights to gain an advantage. Conte is teaching Haney to get away with it. That is the irony. Just like Lance Armstrong....years of calling out guys for not cheating, swearing he was clean while cheating all tests and people were covering for him. Then he finally got busted and admitted that no.one could compete at the highest level without cheating. Conte is that.

It'll come out at some point.

I know there is no official proof but I strongly believe you are right. Years before Lance Armstrong was busted, I was told by a gym owner who worked with a number of elite athletes the same thing - it is impossible to compete at the highest level without steroids. They give you such an advantage that everybody has to do it to be able to compete at the elite level. He told me he did not know a single elite athlete who was not doing it. He said it has become a mandatory ticket to a dance.

On a side note it is interesting that Devin is putting out a story about drug testing and not about his next fight. There have been stories in the past 8 to 9 months about people offering Devin good money for a fight but he never agreed to anything. Now he is publishing a story like this to stay in the news but still nothing about any possible fights. Given this situation and how much weight he will have to drop for his next fight it will be more than 12 months before this happens. If him and his father are waiting for another Garcia money fight, I have a feeling they will be disappointed. I don't think Ryan will not give him another big payday given how much bad blood is between them now.

[187tek9]

Ok, so you're saying that VADA has Conte's stamp of approval, got it! I haven't found anything that links Conte to VADA though, that's why I don't understand how VADA benefits Devin in any way..

Why memo say Vada is Conte's asset? He always got something to say on VADA cases why? No one asked him.. Could be a front..as he is a former convict and he has worked with Margret Goodman from NSAC in the past

[Theshotyoudontsee]

I know there is no official proof but I strongly believe you are right. Years before Lance Armstrong was busted, I was told by a gym owner who worked with a number of elite athletes the same thing - it is impossible to compete at the highest level without steroids. They give you such an advantage that everybody has to do it to be able to compete at the elite level. He told me he did not know a single elite athlete who was not doing it. He said it has become a mandatory ticket to a dance.

On a side note it is interesting that Devin is putting out a story about drug testing and not about his next fight. There have been stories in the past 8 to 9 months about people offering Devin good money for a fight but he never agreed to anything. Now he is publishing a story like this to stay in the news but still nothing about any possible fights. Given this situation and how much weight he will have to drop for his next fight it will be more than 12 months before this happens. If him and his father are waiting for another Garcia money fight, I have a feeling they will be disappointed. I don't think Ryan will not give him another big payday given how much bad blood is between them now.

It reminds me of the CBB pay for play stuff. For decades everyone knew that the top players and even many lesser known players were being paid to go to certain schools under the table. It was seen as this incredibly nasty thing and it was ruining the sport, etc etc. Then the NCAA became more and more irrelevant as schools told them to take a flying f--k.

Next thing you knew the portal was created and players were being paid. What had been seen as a terrible injustice became a normal part of the game overnight.

Everyone knows that all guys at the top of combat sports are using weight cutting agents, things that help them hold muscle while cutting weight and to increase their endurance. Some use steroids and other muscle building drugs as well, but alot of muscle is not a huge advantage to a boxer, because bigger muscles don't translate to functional muscle. While there are some benefits to increasing punching power obviously, in reality, bigger muscles don't translate to huge punchers. You have to learn to sit down on a punch and leverage yourself, and commit to a shot. Many fighters don't.
And to put on enough muscle to where your power is greatly enhanced, it would be obvious in the musculature of the athlete.

What will eventually happen is that combat sports will allow all the athletes to use ped's and therefor no one has an advantage. And what most of them will use are drugs to enhance endurance and to help them preserve muscle on a cut. The advantages in power are slight, as more muscle means less functional movement and less advantage in the ring.

Haney is certainly using Conte's techniques for testing clean. It isn't even really that hard with some money, blood doping is incredibly hard to detect. Haney blows up between fights, and it is common knowledge he uses IV's to rehydrate much larger than his opponents on fight night. He was bigger than Ryan when he got beat up yet people act like Ostarine turned Ryan into the Hulk and made him so strong that Haney had no chance. It's laughable. Haney was arrogant and thought he'd bully Garcia and he got caught. Drugs had nothing to do with it. Ryan looked no different than any other fight.

Haney has been a hype driven feather fisted boring huggy fighter since he started. He has boxing skills, but he is mentally a weak fighter and he has a weak chin. His career has been built on garbage. Ryan just caught him.

Eventually we will see regulations gone as far as PEDs. It is an open secret.

[PBR Streetgang]

How are Devin and Conte associated with VADA?

Devin has worked with Conte for close to a decade (met through Shawn Porter) and has endorsed SNAC products.

As for Conte and VADA, there have been allegations that he helped form the non-profit and in a May 2024 USA Today article, Conte told USA Today that "he provided consultation to VADA and referred some of the initial boxers to the drug testing program".

I think Conte is very good at what he does and him providing advice to VADA is like the wolf advising the shepherd.