At 147-154, Prime for Prime, how would Floyd Mayweather Jr fair against these five Pro Boxers he beat in the past?

[Haka]

lol you fkn pea brain .

You told it the variables which are all your interpretations, you then asked it to rationalize your way of thinking based on your variables as input, are you this fkn gullible..


And the answer to your output was answered by AI but you stepped on over it like a moron that sees nothing.

• The premise that Mayweather lacked elite prime opponents ignores that he faced multiple undefeated fighters and reigning champions at their peak, including:
  • Canelo Alvarez (42-0 at the time)
  • Ricky Hatton (43-0 at the time)
  • Diego Corrales (33-0 at their fight)
  • Zab Judah (who was considered the #1 welterweight when they fought)
• The classification of fighters like Maidana and Guerrero as "not elite-level threats" is historically inaccurate:
  • Maidana was coming off a dominant win over Adrien Broner
  • Guerrero was on a 15-fight win streak and had won titles in multiple divisions
  • Both were considered legitimate threats at the time of their fights
• The analysis significantly understates the quality of Mayweather's victories over fighters like Miguel Cotto and Shane Mosley:
  • Cotto was still in his prime at 154 lbs when they fought, having just avenged his loss to Margarito
  • Mosley, while older, was coming off a devastating knockout of Antonio Margarito
• The claim about Bradley's hypothetical placement contains circular reasoning:
  • It assumes Bradley would be one of Floyd's best opponents without evidence
  • It ignores that Bradley struggled against opponents that Mayweather dominated
  • It doesn't account for stylistic matchups that might have made Bradley less competitive
• The "quality over quantity" argument is undermined by statistics:
  • Mayweather fought 24 world champions
  • He defeated 16 fighters who held multiple world titles
  • His opponents had a combined record of 766-72-2 when he fought them
• The historical context is missing:
  • Mayweather fought and beat the available top contenders in each era
  • Many of the fights deemed "missing" from his resume (like Bradley) were complicated by promotional conflicts
  • He consistently fought the highest-ranked available opponents

The analysis attempts to diminish Mayweather's accomplishments through selective interpretation rather than examining the full context of his career and era.

While Mayweather certainly faced several high-profile fighters, it's essential to differentiate between the quality of opponents at their peaks and their actual condition when they met Mayweather. Miguel Cotto, for instance, was a formidable competitor at 154 lbs, but by that point in his career, he had already endured punishing battles that had an undeniable impact on his physical condition and reflexes. His peak form likely occurred earlier in his career, before the wear and tear of significant bouts took its toll. Similarly, Shane Mosley, despite his victory over Margarito, was far from the fighter he once was. Age and accumulated damage had diminished his speed, reflexes, and overall sharpness, which are crucial for competing at the elite level. Beating these fighters is impressive, but it doesn't equate to defeating them at their best. A victory against a name on paper doesn't necessarily reflect the fighter's true peak form, especially when they’ve endured substantial damage or age-related decline.


Robert Guerrero’s status as a "cherrypick" can be supported by comparing the betting odds and contextualizing them within Mayweather's broader career. His 14-1 odds against Guerrero were far from unique, mirroring other instances where Mayweather was heavily favored due to perceived mismatches. For example, against Victor Ortiz (2011), despite Ortiz being the WBC welterweight champion, his inexperience at the elite level and questionable boxing IQ placed him at significant disadvantage, reflected in similarly one-sided odds. In Andre Berto (2015), Mayweather was favored at an astonishing 40-1, as Berto was considered well past his prime. Fights like Arturo Gatti (2005), a fan favorite but technically inferior to Mayweather, and Sharmba Mitchell (2005), a perceived tune-up for Mayweather’s welterweight debut, had odds heavily skewed in Floyd’s favor. Likewise, Carlos Baldomir (2006), though the lineal welterweight champion, lacked the requisite skills to truly challenge Mayweather, with odds once again indicating a foregone conclusion. These fights collectively illustrate a recurring theme in Mayweather's career: bouts where the odds were grossly imbalanced, reinforcing the narrative that his opponents were seen as little more than formalities in a highly controlled career trajectory.

In comparison, when evaluating boxers like Diego Corrales, Zab Judah, and Tim Bradley, it’s important to note that Bradley stands out as the most accomplished. While Corrales had a notable legacy, particularly with his wars against Castillo, his career was shorter and marked by fewer title defenses. Judah, despite his talent and multi-division titles, struggled with inconsistency, making him less dominant than Bradley. Tim Bradley, on the other hand, demonstrated sustained excellence, with victories over the likes of Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Márquez, and an undefeated streak that is hard to overlook. His consistency, ring intelligence, and elite victories place him at a higher level in terms of overall accomplishment.

The claim that Bradley wouldn’t have been competitive against Mayweather is speculative and dismisses Bradley’s adaptability and skill. His versatility and proven ability to adjust in the ring suggest that he could have posed unique challenges for Mayweather. My argument is based on verifiable facts, not assumptions, and Bradley’s proven record against top-tier competition supports his credibility as a serious contender.

[Haka]

Buddy Im tired of conversing with an idiot, you just dont have the intelligence to comprehend, your refusal to answer anything, your refusal to state the very point of your argument, your fantasy interpretations all add up to trying to converse with a caveman and Im bored, I like a real debate but your just too empty headed to mount one.

Prime is the period an athlete is at his/her physical best, fastest, highest power to weight ratio, sharpest reflexes, highest endurance, fastest recovery. to elaborate more the greatest athletes operate closer to their prime across their whole career than the average athlete does, but because prime is subjective it doesn't have an absolute other than say a runner personal best time could be said to be their prime, yet it could be best time because of a strong tail wind.

Prime is fan talk and is different than peak, just as saying Manny jumped two divisions to fight Oscar, 2 divisions sounds like a huge amount of weight in fan land, but the realty is Manny fights at 144 fight night and he was 147 while Oscar was 145 instead of his usual 163, so how much weight did Manny jump? the truth is a very clear picture.

Now whats your point, do you even have one?

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While Mayweather certainly faced several high-profile fighters, it's essential to differentiate between the quality of opponents at their peaks and their actual condition when they met Mayweather. Miguel Cotto, for instance, was a formidable competitor at 154 lbs, but by that point in his career, he had already endured punishing battles that had an undeniable impact on his physical condition and reflexes. His peak form likely occurred earlier in his career, before the wear and tear of significant bouts took its toll. Similarly, Shane Mosley, despite his victory over Margarito, was far from the fighter he once was. Age and accumulated damage had diminished his speed, reflexes, and overall sharpness, which are crucial for competing at the elite level. Beating these fighters is impressive, but it doesn't equate to defeating them at their best. A victory against a name on paper doesn't necessarily reflect the fighter's true peak form, especially when they’ve endured substantial damage or age-related decline.


Robert Guerrero’s status as a "cherrypick" can be supported by comparing the betting odds and contextualizing them within Mayweather's broader career. His 14-1 odds against Guerrero were far from unique, mirroring other instances where Mayweather was heavily favored due to perceived mismatches. For example, against Victor Ortiz (2011), despite Ortiz being the WBC welterweight champion, his inexperience at the elite level and questionable boxing IQ placed him at significant disadvantage, reflected in similarly one-sided odds. In Andre Berto (2015), Mayweather was favored at an astonishing 40-1, as Berto was considered well past his prime. Fights like Arturo Gatti (2005), a fan favorite but technically inferior to Mayweather, and Sharmba Mitchell (2005), a perceived tune-up for Mayweather’s welterweight debut, had odds heavily skewed in Floyd’s favor. Likewise, Carlos Baldomir (2006), though the lineal welterweight champion, lacked the requisite skills to truly challenge Mayweather, with odds once again indicating a foregone conclusion. These fights collectively illustrate a recurring theme in Mayweather's career: bouts where the odds were grossly imbalanced, reinforcing the narrative that his opponents were seen as little more than formalities in a highly controlled career trajectory.

In comparison, when evaluating boxers like Diego Corrales, Zab Judah, and Tim Bradley, it’s important to note that Bradley stands out as the most accomplished. While Corrales had a notable legacy, particularly with his wars against Castillo, his career was shorter and marked by fewer title defenses. Judah, despite his talent and multi-division titles, struggled with inconsistency, making him less dominant than Bradley. Tim Bradley, on the other hand, demonstrated sustained excellence, with victories over the likes of Manny Pacquiao and Juan Manuel Márquez, and an undefeated streak that is hard to overlook. His consistency, ring intelligence, and elite victories place him at a higher level in terms of overall accomplishment.

The claim that Bradley wouldn’t have been competitive against Mayweather is speculative and dismisses Bradley’s adaptability and skill. His versatility and proven ability to adjust in the ring suggest that he could have posed unique challenges for Mayweather. My argument is based on verifiable facts, not assumptions, and Bradley’s proven record against top-tier competition supports his credibility as a serious contender.

What is your point you dumb fck, have you just found AI and think it makes you smarter, your dumbness will always shine through first.

Nobody is interested nor reading your narrative, Are you going to state your point of argument, or are you incapable?

I really think you are incapable of condensing your dribble into a single point which proves what Ive said all along that you are a dumb as dog sht hater trying to hate on everything.

[Haka]

What is your point you dumb fck, have you just found AI and think it makes you smarter, your dumbness will always shine through first.

Nobody is interested nor reading your narrative, Are you going to state your point of argument, or are you incapable?

I really think you are incapable of condensing your dribble into a single point which proves what Ive said all along that you are a dumb as dog sht hater trying to hate on everything.

Post #256 is waiting to be answered.

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Post #256 is waiting to be answered.

What is your point is waiting to be answered long before that, state your point or refusing to only show you are incapable and just another petty hater.

[Haka]

What is your point is waiting to be answered long before that, state your point or refusing to only show you are incapable and just another petty hater.

I already stated my point in post #251.

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I already stated my point in post #251.

So you don't think the entire discussion is valid that's your point lol, well buddy, your feeble brain is not a valid tool for interpreting information, its defective.

Some point you have there Einstein.

[djtmal]

Prime is fan talk and is different than peak, just as saying Manny jumped two divisions to fight Oscar, 2 divisions sounds like a huge amount of weight in fan land, but the realty is Manny fights at 144 fight night and he was 147 while Oscar was 145 instead of his usual 163, so how much weight did Manny jump? the truth is a very clear picture.

Listen to this guy Manny was a lightweight fighting lightweights, and jumps up to welterweight to fight Oscar who settled in at junior middle.

The fight was made at middle ground welterweight limit 147. Oscar could have weighed in at the limit and rehydrated to whatever weight he wanted. Oscar already had a significant height and reach advantage.

Manny beat the brakes off him

[Haka]

So you don't think the entire discussion is valid that's your point lol, well buddy, your feeble brain is not a valid tool for interpreting information, its defective.

Some point you have there Einstein.

Instead of shyting up other threads, in this one everything is documented and you have not been able to dispute anything as of yet.

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Instead of shyting up other threads, in this one everything is documented and you have not been able to dispute anything as of yet.

It's all disputed, only you are too dumb to realize; maybe if you actually read posts, answered a few questions here and there, and digested what was said, you would understand, but I don't think you're capable of it.