Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao, Vinny Paz, and Michael Nunn lead 2025 International Boxing Hall of Fame class

[BodyBagz]

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Ha ha ha!!! He sure does.

The quiet ones are often forgotten

[Roadblock]

Nunn had hall of fame talent but not a hall of fame career. Paz has no business being a hall of famer. At this point let’s just let Ricardo Mayorga in if we want to glorify tough guys with limited skills who consistently lost to the best fighters they faced.

Vinny won 5 world titles from LW to SM , broke his neck and they said he would never walk again, trained wearing a head stabilizer and defied everybody to make a successful comeback a year later, no magic sea water here just pure grit. Paz was a genuine fighter from head to toe. I don't mind him getting in at all; the HOF is about your contribution to boxing. Its not about a pound-for-pound ranking, his career is strong and he has a great boxing story

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[BodyBagz]

Vinny won 5 world titles from LW to SM , broke his neck and they said he would never walk again, trained wearing a head stabilizer and defied everybody to make a successful comeback a year later, no magic sea water here just pure grit. Paz was a genuine fighter from head to toe. I don't mind him getting in at all; the HOF is about your contribution to boxing. Its not about a pound-for-pound ranking, his career is strong and he has a great boxing story

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Something's fishy and I'm all for roids.

I guess beating Duran 2x is nice
Beating The Unmacho Man was great.

The Hall Of Greatness would not have many members.

[vital1983]

Manny Pacquiao doesn’t deserve a spot in the 2025 International Boxing Hall of Fame class because his career is nothing more than a glorified tale of exploitation and opportunism. Stripped of the fanfare, his so-called “greatness” crumbles under scrutiny. He built his reputation not on undeniable skill or legendary bouts but on preying upon washed-up fighters well past their prime, padding his record with meaningless wins that did nothing to elevate the sport.

You're reaching!

[BritJimbo]

Love Michael Nunn. I think it was crazy that he had to do so much jail time.

Wishing the best for him and his life now.

The sentence was awful, glad he is out...he was on PBD recently so he seems like he is in a good place.

[BritJimbo]

No way in hell Nigel Benn shouldn't be in if they're letting some of these guys in.

I get Nunn. He was the guy at 1 point. Probably a top 2 or 3 fighter in the world for a short period of time.

Vinnie Paz was one of the more famous fighters of his time. Hell, there's even a rapper named after him (he's dope, too), so I kinda get it, though I don't think he had a HOF career.

Corrales is a borderline case, but I guess if we've got Gatti in, then we can put the winner of the "greatest fight ever" in

They're scaping the barrel for some of these women.

I support putting women in 100%, but Mary Jo Sanders???

I don't get that one.

I stopped reading your boxing comments when I saw your dancing lady. Jesus.

[just the facts]

Manny Pacquiao doesn’t deserve a spot in the 2025 International Boxing Hall of Fame class because his career is nothing more than a glorified tale of exploitation and opportunism. Stripped of the fanfare, his so-called “greatness” crumbles under scrutiny. He built his reputation not on undeniable skill or legendary bouts but on preying upon washed-up fighters well past their prime, padding his record with meaningless wins that did nothing to elevate the sport.

Somehow I knew this idiot would show up in this thread, spewing his usual anti Pacquiao garbage. This dummy once claimed that Brandon Figueroa and Luis Nery would beat Manny.

[TintaBoricua]

Vinny won 5 world titles from LW to SM , broke his neck and they said he would never walk again, trained wearing a head stabilizer and defied everybody to make a successful comeback a year later, no magic sea water here just pure grit. Paz was a genuine fighter from head to toe. I don't mind him getting in at all; the HOF is about your contribution to boxing. Its not about a pound-for-pound ranking, his career is strong and he has a great boxing story

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I heard Dan Rafael saying how he disagrees with the induction as apparently many others in the media and in fan circles.

The problem with boxing inductions I think is that when someone with an okayish resume is let in, what MOST people think (subconsciously) is that the hall of fame organization is saying that they’re among the elite and best fighters in the world. I don’t think that’s the case. Hall of fame…FAME…FAME.

If Sylvester Stallone and other people who have never set foot in the ring can get in (based on their CONTRIBUTIONS), then by all means. Boxers get in based on how they impacted the sport (not necessarily strictly their wins/losses). I get the “dangerous” precedent this sets, but I’m trying to understand the perspective from the hall of fame which probably needs funds annually and in a sport as niche as it is, they don’t have a lot to choose from.

Gatti got in based on him being in so many fights of the year and being a human highlight reel.

There are a lot of other fighters far better than Gatti and Pazienza ever were and also deserve to be in a long time ago.

Hall of Fame should tell a story when you go there. It should encompass both phenomenally talented and accomplished fighters as well as others that might not have been an A-class fighter, but were able to give back to the sport in some other way: be it entertaining fights, changing the business, having some wins along the way (of course)…but this last item should not be the ONLY measuring stick if they don’t have it.

If boxing did exactly like the baseball hall of fame (with their extremely tight windows), there would be no point in going to Canastota given how they’d probably elect a couple fighters once every 4 or 5 years. It’s not like they have a pool as massive as the NFL, NBA, or MLB to draw from.

[TintaBoricua]

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As expected and as predicted they show up.

You should be the one to be ashamed of your Pinoy idol but let’s look at facts;

• At 135: He fought just once against David Diaz. Period.
• At 140: He fought just once against Hatton. Hatton was never anything special and had already been KO’d by Floyd. There were other title holders at 140 that Top Rank avoided

At 147: This is where PAC’s dubious greatness is measured so let’s get into it:

- Oscar: The last time Oscar fought at 147 was 2002. He was too drained and couldn’t even move. He had no shot at beating PAC and this is Oscar we are talking about.

- Cotto: Catchweight - Freddie Roach was on record stating “I have to give my guy every advantage I can get”. That statement just says it all.

- Clottey: He’d just lost to Cotto so why make this fight?

- Mosley: Mosley had literally just lost to Floyd. Can you imagine if it was Floyd that fought Mosley after Mosley had lost to PAC?

- Brandon Rios: Rios had just lost to Alvarado at 140 and was moving up to 147. Rios should have NEVER been in the same ring with PAC. It was an insult to boxing.

- Broner: Broner had lost two fights and had one draw and yet the great PAC elected to fight him.

- Mathysse: Another irrelevant guy at 147. Had lost his last big fight to Danny Garcia and was trying to rebuild against BUMS.

- Jeff Horn: Nobody knew who this guy was before he faced PAC.

- Chris Algieri: Same question as above.

- Bradley: Bradley’s resume is mostly going to be remembered for the PAC trilogy (and the wars he had with Provodnikov and Jesse Vargas).

- Thurman: Good win for PAC and legit opponent. I can acknowledge that

154: Margarito - He had literally been destroyed by Mosley and yet PAC demanded a catchweight so as to get a dubious VACANT title at 154.

PAC is a manufactured institutional product elevated to stratospheric levels through carefully cherry picked opponents that appear credible on paper yet are far from it and sold to a thirsty media and crowd that gulps every ounce of bum that’s fed to them.

You know what, Jake Paul is also on his way to ATG status cherry-picking washed up fighters.

I’m bored this morning. You know you can dissect resumes easily, right? Even if it’s as dense as Pacquiao’s…

A few things:

#1: Bradley remembered for his war against Jessie Vargas? War? My brother, that was an easy fight for Bradley. Jessie’s only moment in that fight was the last 10 seconds. Nothing else.

#2: Mosley was coming off of a draw against Sergio Mora. Not the loss to Floyd. Get it right. Most people forget that.

#3: While you may be right that Pacquiao only “touch and go” at 135 and 140 (one win a piece). Was there anybody around those weight classes at the time that would’ve given him fits? And if there were, given how omnipotent he looked, I’d favor him over everyone. Juan Díaz, Humberto Soto, Joan Guzman, Ali Funeka…Pacquiao would’ve squashed everybody back then.

What I’ve always had a problem with (and I’m grasping at straws here) is how Margarito got ranked after one obscure fight against Robert Garcia (after the suspension) and they made his next fight (with Pacquiao) a title fight at 154…at a catch weight…at 150…..which is closer to 147 than 154. So, I dunno.

Pacquiao’s going to be an 8 division champ but that was more the organizations wanting to facilitate history and be part of the moment. I don’t think Pacquiao would’ve beaten a legitimate 154 pounder like Trout or Lara at the time…but then again, those two have really bad styles to go up against when you’re riding a super hot win streak.

[Sid-Knee]

I thought Arce had a good chance. Maybe next year.

You can get in without any world class victories? Grim.