Comments Thread For: Manny Pacquiao, Vinny Paz, and Michael Nunn lead 2025 International Boxing Hall of Fame class

[Roadblock]

Perhaps you don’t know that are different aspects to the hall of fame inductions. Referees or announcers are getting in as those positions, not as boxers. A boxers personality and inspiring story are cool but shouldn’t overcome being a mediocre talent with mediocre wins in your resume. You just made up your own narrative for why boxers get in and have now twisted yourself in a pretzel. Better luck next time.

Are you serious lol, I posted what they do its on there website, Im not making it up its there in their own text, nothing is twisted at all, you don't like Paz going in I don't care one way or the other he won 5 world titles across 5 divisions, as I said earlier I think he is more deserving than Hatton.

Unlike other sports that have specific numerical thresholds to indicate future enshrinement into the Hall of Fame, boxing is a much more subjective sport. There are many factors beyond raw numbers that voters use when considering a fighter's candidacy and when approximately 200 or more electors participate in the voting process, opinions will vary greatly. Because of this variance of opinion the Hall of Fame utilizes a system that honors the top vote recipients of a pre-determined number of candidates, rather than a hard percentage of votes

[Roadblock]

I don't agree with that either. I also don't agree with actors playing boxers getting in.

You keep repeating "5 world titles" without context. The IBO, IBC, and WBU are not legitimate world titles and the fighters Pazienza beat for titles are not legitimate world champions outside of Haugen and Dele. He also lost in 3 attempts for the junior welterweight title. His record against top ranked opponents and world champions is not good. That's not HOF worthy material. Hatton beating Kota Tszyu is more impressive than any win on Pazienza's reume.

You can disagree all you want, they wrote it not me, it clearly states the way the voting is compiled different than other sports.

[BodyBagz]

I heard Dan Rafael saying how he disagrees with the induction as apparently many others in the media and in fan circles.

The problem with boxing inductions I think is that when someone with an okayish resume is let in, what MOST people think (subconsciously) is that the hall of fame organization is saying that they’re among the elite and best fighters in the world. I don’t think that’s the case. Hall of fame…FAME…FAME.

If Sylvester Stallone and other people who have never set foot in the ring can get in (based on their CONTRIBUTIONS), then by all means. Boxers get in based on how they impacted the sport (not necessarily strictly their wins/losses). I get the “dangerous” precedent this sets, but I’m trying to understand the perspective from the hall of fame which probably needs funds annually and in a sport as niche as it is, they don’t have a lot to choose from.

Gatti got in based on him being in so many fights of the year and being a human highlight reel.

There are a lot of other fighters far better than Gatti and Pazienza ever were and also deserve to be in a long time ago.

Hall of Fame should tell a story when you go there. It should encompass both phenomenally talented and accomplished fighters as well as others that might not have been an A-class fighter, but were able to give back to the sport in some other way: be it entertaining fights, changing the business, having some wins along the way (of course)…but this last item should not be the ONLY measuring stick if they don’t have it.

If boxing did exactly like the baseball hall of fame (with their extremely tight windows), there would be no point in going to Canastota given how they’d probably elect a couple fighters once every 4 or 5 years. It’s not like they have a pool as massive as the NFL, NBA, or MLB to draw from.

Not sure why people don't understand non athletes contribute greatly to sports.
Those individuals deserve to be recognized for the quality work that they do.

As for Gatti, he went life and death vs D level opponents.
Ward ?!?!?
Would get blown out by most C+ level guys.

Gatti was "famous" for being an action fighter and dying
Paz story is "kinda famous"

The truly greats are famous for their legit/successful resumes
(Fighting every top guy is nice . Losing them all, not so much)

HOFame, if the resume is "eh".....

[Boxing2695]

Benn and Eubank should have been in years ago. They actually have a HOF career. Vinny and Nunn do not. Those who vote clearly don't have the credentials to be making these votes. It's embarrassing. But at least it's in tune with the rest of boxing being a circus at this point.

Yeah I'd of put Benn in a long time ago. Two weight world champion. Had 16 world title fights. Had a great rivalry with eubank that really inspired alot of people to watch and take up boxing. Had that brutal war with Mclellan that is still one of most violent boxing fights you'll ever see. Vinny Paz has his story but the guy was never anything great and he lost every big fight he ever had

[Oregonian]

I’m bored this morning. You know you can dissect resumes easily, right? Even if it’s as dense as Pacquiao’s…

A few things:

#1: Bradley remembered for his war against Jessie Vargas? War? My brother, that was an easy fight for Bradley. Jessie’s only moment in that fight was the last 10 seconds. Nothing else.

#2: Mosley was coming off of a draw against Sergio Mora. Not the loss to Floyd. Get it right. Most people forget that.

#3: While you may be right that Pacquiao only “touch and go” at 135 and 140 (one win a piece). Was there anybody around those weight classes at the time that would’ve given him fits? And if there were, given how omnipotent he looked, I’d favor him over everyone. Juan Díaz, Humberto Soto, Joan Guzman, Ali Funeka…Pacquiao would’ve squashed everybody back then.

What I’ve always had a problem with (and I’m grasping at straws here) is how Margarito got ranked after one obscure fight against Robert Garcia (after the suspension) and they made his next fight (with Pacquiao) a title fight at 154…at a catch weight…at 150…..which is closer to 147 than 154. So, I dunno.

Pacquiao’s going to be an 8 division champ but that was more the organizations wanting to facilitate history and be part of the moment. I don’t think Pacquiao would’ve beaten a legitimate 154 pounder like Trout or Lara at the time…but then again, those two have really bad styles to go up against when you’re riding a super hot win streak.

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I think you are agreeing with me but are being fair to all which is fair.

I did not forget the Mosley vs Moraa fight. It was just not relevant fight at all. Mosley was beaten from pillar to post by Floyd and got a draw against a reality TV star. And I’m not even shǐttïng on Moraa.

Think about this, imagine Floyd fighting Mosley after Mosley had lost to PAC or fighting Brandon Rios after Rios had just lost to Alvarado and was moving up in weight? PAC fans would literally cũm in their pants

To be fair to PAC, he had the tools to fight anyone at 135, 140 and 147. He was a big name so he could have gotten anyone but he cherry-picked his way into a dubious 8 division winner moniker.

I was falling for the glitter too until he fought Margarito for a vacant title. That’s what you call facilitating history. Also, imagine it was Floyd doing that.

To give you a much deeper context, PAC fans have been shïttïng on Floyd for fighting exhibitions UP UNTIL the great PAC started fighting YouTube guys and kickboxers and suddenly it’s wonderful for their guy to make money.

[famicommander]

I'll never forget that savage beating Anne Sophie Mathis put on Holly Holm. Glad Mathis is getting her recognition.

[MulaKO]

Not sure why people don't understand non athletes contribute greatly to sports.
Those individuals deserve to be recognized for the quality work that they do.

As for Gatti, he went life and death vs D level opponents.
Ward ?!?!?
Would get blown out by most C+ level guys.

Gatti was "famous" for being an action fighter and dying
Paz story is "kinda famous"

The truly greats are famous for their legit/successful resumes
(Fighting every top guy is nice . Losing them all, not so much)

HOFame, if the resume is "eh".....

Not sure why people don't understand non athletes contribute greatly to sports.
Those individuals deserve to be recognized for the quality work that they do.

The sport would not exist if this^^^^^^^^^^ wasn't a major factor in all sports

Well said brother

[BodyBagz]

Not sure why people don't understand non athletes contribute greatly to sports.
Those individuals deserve to be recognized for the quality work that they do.

The sport would not exist if this^^^^^^^^^^ wasn't a major factor in all sports

Well said brother

Mind boggling

"Why are Larry Merchant, Jim Lampley, Mills Lane, Michael Buffer, Howard Cosell, etc, etc in boxing's HOF ?!?!?!?"

[MulaKO]

Mind boggling

"Why are Larry Merchant, Jim Lampley, Mills Lane, Michael Buffer, Howard Cosell, etc, etc in boxing's HOF ?!?!?!?"

People tend to not realize what happens behind the curtain so to say