Apart from the 1993 version Of Roy Jones Jr...

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Tarvers resume largely beating Roy (but still also losing to him) is what made him imo, and I find that very thing of his resume to be over rated as well. He caught some guys at the right time, just not Hopkins. The Johnson that faced Dawson was an animal and would've been slightly more competitive with Tarver than previous. Dawson does now clearly beat both.

So essentially I agree with how the rankings have shaped out, and how they would be if Joe was up there still, they'd be in perfect order.

Tarver does not respond well when he can't bulleye his man with combinations, when his opponent moves cleverly, isn't fazed, and throws more punches back at him without slowing down or giving way. He's just not quite on that level to raise his game.

Tarver's resume without Roy is still worlds better than, say, Mikkel Kessler. I think the problem is that a lot of you hadn't heard much of him prior to. That's the real problem.

Furthermore, the Johnson Tarver fought was much better than the one Dawson handled...how can you say different? I'd love to hear what you base this on.

Finally, your last paragraph is interesting...seeing as how he's faced and defeated solid fighters who do that.

[djtmal]

Yeah but since Hopkins ain't all that, what was so big about what Joe did. Who was his best win then, Kessler? hehe

laugh, but kessler and lacy were wins over the top guys in his division that legitly were HIS SIZE...

i'd go as far as to say that kessler is just as talented, and calzaghe turned it up a notch and got the win...compare that to nardo fighting the young gun at 160 (taylor) and he loses twice...taylor kicked nardo out of 160...nobody kicked calzaghe out of supermiddleweight...

he moved up once he took care of everybody he needed to take of...moved up to 175, and punked the belts off ring mag recognized, 175lb chump er i mean champ and #4p4p nardo...now if that isn't atg material, i don't know what is...

now i'm not saying calzaghe is top 10, but he definitely is higher up than nardo...plus i don't think calzaghe entered boxing as a cruiser and scaled down to 168 to own his division the way nardo came in at 175 and scaled down to 160...

[VipersThunder]

calzaghe's already an atg...beat the old guard and some of the new guard in his division, came to the states and beat his two u.s. counterparts quite handily, including #4 p4p "clinch-a-cutioner" hopkins...doesn't need dawson imo...

Please he never even beat another champion at 168 until his 18th pathetic defense of the WBO title. He really beat nobody. Even Sven Otteke had a tougher run then him.

[VipersThunder]

Pavlik would've got his lunch money taken, Taylor would have collapsed in round 9, Johnson was too green, Wright too small, but Tarver...hmm...Tarver...

You don't know any of that. Anything can happen in boxing and styles make fights. Slappy is overrated and all those guys can fight. There is a reason why he fought nothing but **** cans his whole career.

[Kris Silver]

Tarver's resume without Roy is still worlds better than, say, Mikkel Kessler.

I'll agree with you there. But I feel this is what leads to the general view he must be overally better.

I think the problem is that a lot of you hadn't heard much of him prior to. That's the real problem.

Same could be said of Kessler, probably more so?

Furthermore, the Johnson Tarver fought was much better than the one Dawson handled...how can you say different? I'd love to hear what you base this on.

I just feel Glenn's aged better I guess, plus some other subtleties in they're games lead me to think Johnson would be favoured over Tarver as of now. He's ranked higher and didn't struggle with Dawson as much, so I don't think that's a radical suggestion at all, quite the contrary.

Finally, your last paragraph is interesting...seeing as how he's faced and defeated solid fighters who do that.

Well that's breaking into new territory to some degree but needless to say I'll agree to disagree on quite how far tested Tarver was in some of his wins. His losses showed major weaknesses in his game to me, weaknesses an elite and classy operator like in form Hopkins, Calzaghe and even Roy Jones, beats. Heck even Johnson and Dawson.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Cant see Joe losing to any welterweights.

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laugh, but kessler and lacy were wins over the top guys in his division that legitly were HIS SIZE...

i'd go as far as to say that kessler is just as talented, and calzaghe turned it up a notch and got the win...compare that to nardo fighting the young gun at 160 (taylor) and he loses twice...taylor kicked nardo out of 160...nobody kicked calzaghe out of supermiddleweight...

he moved up once he took care of everybody he needed to take of...moved up to 175, and punked the belts off ring mag recognized, 175lb chump er i mean champ and #4p4p nardo...now if that isn't atg material, i don't know what is...

now i'm not saying calzaghe is top 10, but he definitely is higher up than nardo...plus i don't think calzaghe entered boxing as a cruiser and scaled down to 168 to own his division the way nardo came in at 175 and scaled down to 160...

So what are you saying? Kessler > Hopkins?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

13 pages. IMDAZED on every single one of them.

[IMDAZED]

I'll agree with you there. But I feel this is what leads to the general view he must be overally better.



Same could be said of Kessler, probably more so?



I just feel Glenn's aged better I guess, plus some other subtleties in they're games lead me to think Johnson would be favoured over Tarver as of now. He's ranked higher and didn't struggle with Dawson as much, so I don't think that's a radical suggestion at all, quite the contrary.



Well that's breaking into new territory to some degree but needless to say I'll agree to disagree on quite how far tested Tarver was in some of his wins.

Glen Johnson was at his peak during his bouts with Jones & Tarver. I've never heard anyone say different. Yes, he did get better with age but he also slowed down as well. He certainly wasn't as good when he faced Dawson. I'm not sure where you get that from.

As far as Tarver being tested, I'd say Eric Harding, Montel Griffin, Roy Jones and Glen Johnson makes him far better than 99% of Calzaghe's opponents.

[Roger Mellie]

You don't know any of that. Anything can happen in boxing and styles make fights. Slappy is overrated and all those guys can fight. There is a reason why he fought nothing but **** cans his whole career.

Yeah,its cos' he was a glass chinned hypejob eurobum,lamo pwn,yawn etc.

















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