How and when are fights ordered by the sanctioning organizations?

[al-Xander]

Is it just on a whim, impulse, based on what these ABC Orgs execs feel at a given time, etc.?

Which fights, for example, in your opinion, should be ordered, should have been ordered?

Why is it necessary for fighters to file petition in order to force these Orgs to enforce their mandatories?

[Boxing 112]

They do what they want when they want and what suits them. They might all have a rulebook but their rule books are essentially irrelevant cause they have another rule that says any of those rules can be subject to change or they can decide to go against the rule if their panels decides to

[tomhawq]

I don't know the answer to that; what qualifies certain fights to be ordered, what disqualifies others.

Presumably, these 4 ABC orgs are supposed to keep things moving, but seem useless and unreliable.

[El_Mero]

Is it just on a whim, impulse, based on what these ABC Orgs execs feel at a given time, etc.?

Which fights, for example, in your opinion, should be ordered, should have been ordered?

Why is it necessary for fighters to file petition in order to force these Orgs to enforce their mandatories?

All depends on which organization. The bc and bs are corrupt af so they don't follow their rules. The wbo and ibf tend to follow theirs.

Wbo is stripping Mell after ordering him to fight Tszyu and him not adhering to that ruling after initially agreeing to it.

Ibf pretty much does the same thing.

[crimsonfalcon07]

IBF and WBO are way better about following their own rules than WBC and WBA. The 4 organizations have an agreed on rotation for mandatory obligations for unified or undisputed champions, and that's one of the sure things, because you can bet that they each want their cut, especially of lucrative fights from popular champions, so they won't let another organization cut in line.

Here's a little primer:

The first major organization was the National Boxing Association, which became the WBA in 1962. WBC was established in Mexico in 1963, and has a long history of ignoring their own rules, often at the cost of major financial penalties from the courts. Internal squabbling in the WBA eventually led to the formation of the US Boxing Association in 1976, which eventually went international in 1983, and rebranded as the IBF in 1984. They're probably the best at following their own rules, although their rankings are inscrutable, and often ******. The WBO was founded in Puerto Rico in 1988, but didn't really get recognized until somewhere around 2012.

The WBA has an elimination system in which top contenders have to fight in eliminators for the top 2 spots, eventually resulting in a mandatory, which originally was for the 'regular' champion. The 'super' champion is the one usually recognized as the real champion, however. In the event that a champion becomes unable to defend the belt in a timely fashion, they'll hold a fight to set an interim champion. That could be from injury, or from mandatory obligations for another organization taking precedence in the case of a unified champion. The timeframe for defenses depends on how many titles the champion has. They're expected to defend every 18 months if they have 2 titles, 21 months if they have 3, and 24 if they have 4.

The WBC champion is supposed to defend against a mandatory at least once a year, but WBC regularly overlooks its own rules (see RJJ and Graciano, and the history of 'franchise' champions), and also allows champions to defer defenses by paying a fee. That really says everything about the WBC, IMO. "Mandatory" slot for the WBC doesn't mean anything because the power is all on the side of the champion per their rules, and the rules can and will get set aside at a whim. They do vacate belts if the champion won't defend when they want him/her to, and may name them "champion in recess," which grants them an immediate title shot if/when they return.

WBO champions are also supposed to defend within a year, and WBO is fairly aggressive about stripping champions who can't meet their obligations.

IBF also uses the same elimination system as WBA to set its mandatories. They also regularly strip champions who don't defend. They do rank other organizations' champions over their contenders for the purposes of unification, but expressly don't rank champions from other organizations and will remove fighters from the rankings for pursuing other titles. The WBC also won't allow their fighters to pursue other titles, but doesn't rank the champions from other organizations over its own titlists.

The organizations had to agree to a rotation order, which is relatively straightforward to figure out just by looking at which mandatory defenses were made in what order by a unified or undisputed champion. Usually seems to be WBA, IBF, WBC, WBO.

Hopefully this clarifies things a little.

[Teetotaler69]

Depends whoever cuts em a check

[al-Xander]

Hopefully this clarifies things a little.

Question is is filing a petition necessary?

[crimsonfalcon07]

Question is is filing a petition necessary?

Really depends on the situation or organization, but if you want to get things going, having a paper trail is always helpful. Tends to be more necessary with the WBC and WBA, or any time something either isn't happening, or you want to do something out out of the ordinary, such as Haney petitioning to face Prograis, or Canelo trying to fight the cruiserweight champ. I tend to think of it as a "I'm ready for my fight and I'd like to have it ordered." You'll see a lot more petitions to enforce mandatory obligations coming from the contender side than the champ side. It's necessary because the champions tend to want to look for big money fights, and don't really want to be sidetracked by a contender fight, unless they've staked their career on dominance in a division.

[The Big Dunn]

Is it just on a whim, impulse, based on what these ABC Orgs execs feel at a given time, etc.?

Which fights, for example, in your opinion, should be ordered, should have been ordered?

Why is it necessary for fighters to file petition in order to force these Orgs to enforce their mandatories?

WBO- when Bob tells them to.

WBA- when Haymon tells them to.

WBC- whoever writes Sulaiman the biggest check or when Canelo FaceTimes his snake to Sulaiman and asks him.

IBF- when it’s necessary.

[tomhawq]

These sanctioning orgs are supposed to keep things moving. We don't see it a lot.