Did Oscar Take A Dive

[DLT]

I said at the start of the post that I dont believe he did. But I had to ask

[jabsRstiff]

A "dive" insinuates that Oscar bailed for extra cash.

I don't see it that way....I think he bailed out of self-preservation.
He knew he was about to start getting overwhelmed, & put his well-being before the entertainment of the fans who just shelled out big bucks.

[markosg19]

this is ridiculous!

[Marjoh]

For the last time...well, maybe not...NO!!! He simply can't handle Hopkins on Hopkins' own turf, the middleweight. And so now DLH is going back down to the walterweight just for that reason, period.

[TheFairPole]

Oscar quit in this fight and it was obvious!!! He was starting to get overwhelmed and didn't want to take a beating. The funny thing is that he wasn't doing that bad. He just feered getting beat up.

[jabsRstiff]

Last time ?

He took the flimsiest body punch I've seen & rolled around like he was hit with a baseball bat.

Don't give me the weight issue, either. The punch BOUNCED off of his side. If it was a size issue, the punch should have SUNK into him, or RATTLED his body. It did neither.

The man took his money & ran with it.

I have been watching boxing for 23 years, & I rate that KO as one of the most questionable I've ever seen.

[TheFairPole]

Last time ?

He took the flimsiest body punch I've seen & rolled around like he was hit with a baseball bat.

Don't give me the weight issue, either. The punch BOUNCED off of his side. If it was a size issue, the punch should have SUNK into him, or RATTLED his body. It did neither.

The man took his money & ran with it.

I have been watching boxing for 23 years, & I rate that KO as one of the most questionable I've ever seen.

Totally agree!!! The look on his face like he was in so much agony was just laughable!!!

[scap]

Last time ?

He took the flimsiest body punch I've seen & rolled around like he was hit with a baseball bat.

Don't give me the weight issue, either. The punch BOUNCED off of his side. If it was a size issue, the punch should have SUNK into him, or RATTLED his body. It did neither.

The man took his money & ran with it.

I have been watching boxing for 23 years, & I rate that KO as one of the most questionable I've ever seen.

Jab, you have the best frame of reference on this site there is no questioning that but we have had this argument before,how the hell do you know what that body punch did? You said you don't want to hear the weight issue...why not? You/me/joe/jimmy/johnny...no one knows what the body punches effect was...you are certainly entitled to your opinion but that is all it is, an opinion. You speak about that body punch like it is a known fact, like you yourself took the punch from Bhop...If I told you that during the Gatti/Ward 1 that the 8th round was the greatest round in the history of the sport, you would come back and tell me, ah scap you must be talking about the 9th round-you would be right....thats a fact, or if I said that Lennox Lewis had Oliver McCall in trouble in round 1 of their first fight and McCall got lucky with his overhand right in the second...you would say, uh no scap McCall was never in trouble in that fight, what the hell are u talking about...again you would be right with the facts.

It is obvious that you have a bit of a thing for Oscar, however you can continue to talk all you want about him quitting/about him talking a punch that couldn't have hurt a featherweight or whatever....you don't know (neither do I), but maybe I should start continuously posting about how the Hopkins body punch was so well placed, how the hopkins body punch was thrown at the perfect time, that was the greatest body punch I have ever seen, it stopped a guy who has not been seriously hurt since the Quartey fight, man the was a great body shot!

Another thing, there have been many ko's that have been far more questionable then that one! I won't even name them there are far too many to do that! If you want to pull hairs here I will compile a nice long list.

Whats next...Oscar will probably go down to 147 (a weight in which in hindsight he shoiuld have never left). He will dominate Corey Spinks, whip Zab Judah, make Margarito and Santos look like amateurs etc. After that I expect a post from you that calls Oscar a *****, your reasoning I will leave up too you but thats what I anticipate. Meanwhile you will continue to unconditionally repect guys like Hopkins who have never in their career seriously thought about moving up to take a rteal risk. Oscar had been better for boxing than any fighter I have ever seen in my years of watching the sport, you said you have been watching the sport for 23 years....I'll speak for you too, there is no one who has been better for the sport in that span either (maybe make a case for Sugar Gay Leonard). Why can't you give this guy the benefit of the doubt...just this once?

Man that was a great body punch that bhop landed, I still can't believe that Oscar was able to stay in one piece, the fact that he was able to move makes me think he is the toughest guy on the planet. That body shot never landed, it didn't sink in, there is no way it could have even hurt...I don't think that dishonorable puss named Oscar even knew he was hit....

Both ridiculous statements, the first statement is not something I stand by....I dont think I can say the same for you referring to the second, have a great day Jab-post more, there are only a few poeple who I enjoy reading...the length of this post tells you all you need to know!

[jabsRstiff]

Scap....

You're a level-headed poster. Always glad to share opinions with you.

Here's the deal.... I have always thought Oscar was a bit of a con.
I've always had a problem with that. I get a lot of flak from other posters (on other sites) about my dislike of Oscar.
They always HOPE the reason I'm not down with the guy is because of his success, looks, etc.
This annoys me to no end. I have never cared about a fighter for anything outside of the way they fight, & their approach to the game.... ....


....Oscar DEMANDED a rematch with a SHOT former victim in Chavez.
Never did so with Whitaker or Quartey, did he ?
He only fought Mosley because he thought Mosley was a blown-up lightweight. He got that wrong....& went into a semi-retirement....& showed no interest in a rematch with Shane until after Forrest UNDRESSED Mosley.
What about Vargas ? "I'll NEVER fight him...he's classless & disrespectful." That's what Oscar said.....I guess getting badly punished by Trinidad & looking like garbage against Rivera & Flores gave Fernie some dignity, class, & respectfulness ? Nah, it just made him a less risky foe.

He fought Hopkins.....which I gave him a ton of credit for....until ,the fight itself ended.
Getting in the ring, & getting in to win are two very different things.
In my eyes, Oscar proved to me what I've always suspected about him.

I've found that Oscar comes up small in most of his big fights. He fights them TO NOT LOSE....he doesn't fight them to win.
Too tactical......doesn't take that step FORWARD to dare & be great.
That's where I don't think he's as great for the sport as you believe.
His two biggest fights (Hopkins & Tito)....he lures the general public to watch, & then he gives less-than-gung ho performances....leaving a sour taste in the mouths of people who aren't hardcore fans.
All the while.....getting paid MULTI-MILLIONS, & getting the adoration of millions.
So, if a guy like me doesn't like what he sees, BIG DEAL.

[Brotherfromthehoods]

why would de la hoya need to take a dive for money?..he was getting paid sik for the fight as it was. no dive