Originally posted by scap
Some of the things you say I cannot defend Oscar for, there is a number of ways too spin it, however some of the things with Goldie are simply unfair, at least talk about the zillion other fighters that can be accused of the sames things you accuse OScar of...
Oscar fought Chavez because he needed to appeal to the "real Mexican" after the first fight the classless Chavez was bitching and moaning about the cuts that he suffered, he said that he would have won the fight. Many hispanics still in JC superstars corner believed this to be the case and Oscar who desperately wanted the approval of his "real mexican" fan base had little choice but too bust up the classless Chavez one more time.
Why no rematches with Sweat Pea or Ike? Well who the hell would want to see the Pernell/Oscar fight again...not me! A lot of people say that Whitaker one that fight and thats fine...they are dead wrong. Oscar tried to fight that night and Pernell was not interested...I disagree with the punch stats #'s from that fight, I thought Oscar won that fight and there was no need for a second fight asgainst a southpaw who was poised on winning the fight defensively. Knock Oscar for choosing fighters that have little left...well what about Tito? Had Tito fought the same Sweat Pea that Oscar did he would have lost! Tito waited a little while longer (me and you have had this conversation in the past). Pernell fought a style against Tito that he had never fought anyone else with. Knock Tito or many other legends for picking and choosing when too fight guys...thats the unfortunate nature of the business.
Ike and Oscar fought a hell of a war, no doubt! I had the fight on the table going into the 12th. We all know what happened, the 12th was absolutely dominated by Oscar, DOMINATED! Rematch you say...yeah that would have been nice but if I am not mistaken didn't Oscar have other plans? Plans that read FELIX TRINIDAD? Why fight a rematch with Ike when you can go after Tito...Oscar chose to give the fans what they wanted and went after the man. Is it his fault that Ike went into seclusion and whenever he was offered a fight he did his best to outprice himself? I blame Oscar Zero for not taking either rematch or deciding to thrash Chavez one more time.
Jab your case about Mosley may be true, he may have picked him out thinking that Mosely's lofty record was merely a result of the weight and when asked too move up he would be easy prey. I can't argue that, however a very good case for the other side can be made as well. Who the hell wants to fight a guy that is lightning quick-even quicker than Oscar? Why take a fight with a guy that has little rewards? What was Tito doing? Fighting puppies in David Reid and Nando Vargas? I bring Tito's name up because these two guys were it at their respective weights, they were always compared and fought a mega fight that only left every boxing fan wanting more...Oscar and Felix are forever linked in my mind. Oh wasn't it Oscar who wanted desperately to do it all over again with Felix....I am I wrong here?
The Vargas fight was unavoidable! He was calling out Oscar when he was 5-0. Oscar dismissed this fight several times out of principal...he may have been scared who knows...who cares. After NAndo beat Ike Tito jumped in and fought the kid. Why didn't Tito fight Oscar??? Why Nando??? Fernando gave a great showing for getting basically ko'd in the first...Vargas kept running his mouth so ultimately the fight was unavoidable, plus it was one of the bigger fights in the history of Las Vegas(lampley said it was the toughest fight ticket in 20 years)...why not fight(keep in mind that Fernando was campaigning as the "real mexican", had Oscar continue to avoid him he would have lost a lot more respect)! Also Keep in mind the wimpy Hoya also moved up in weight to take on Nando, and had he fought Vargas when he was 20-0 wouldn't you accuse him of fighting a puppy just like what I have done to Felix?.
We both can go on and on, ya know I like what Merchant said on Saturday...about Oscar, Tito, Roy...shouldn't they stay where they are best at? I think so but in the same breath I say test your limits...Oscar has tested his limits against every possible opponent with every possible style...he is to be credited for this...Oscar is tougher than you think and I am betting that he still has a couple of showcase performances left in him...I hope he goes down as low as he can...between 130-147 he is one of the most exciting fighters I have ever seen. He has given me many more thrills than Hopkins and fought overall tougher competition than Tito....doesn't he deserve a little itty tiny bit of your respect?
Oscar fought Chavez because he needed to appeal to the "real Mexican" after the first fight the classless Chavez was bitching and moaning about the cuts that he suffered, he said that he would have won the fight. Many hispanics still in JC superstars corner believed this to be the case and Oscar who desperately wanted the approval of his "real mexican" fan base had little choice but too bust up the classless Chavez one more time.
Why no rematches with Sweat Pea or Ike? Well who the hell would want to see the Pernell/Oscar fight again...not me! A lot of people say that Whitaker one that fight and thats fine...they are dead wrong. Oscar tried to fight that night and Pernell was not interested...I disagree with the punch stats #'s from that fight, I thought Oscar won that fight and there was no need for a second fight asgainst a southpaw who was poised on winning the fight defensively. Knock Oscar for choosing fighters that have little left...well what about Tito? Had Tito fought the same Sweat Pea that Oscar did he would have lost! Tito waited a little while longer (me and you have had this conversation in the past). Pernell fought a style against Tito that he had never fought anyone else with. Knock Tito or many other legends for picking and choosing when too fight guys...thats the unfortunate nature of the business.
Ike and Oscar fought a hell of a war, no doubt! I had the fight on the table going into the 12th. We all know what happened, the 12th was absolutely dominated by Oscar, DOMINATED! Rematch you say...yeah that would have been nice but if I am not mistaken didn't Oscar have other plans? Plans that read FELIX TRINIDAD? Why fight a rematch with Ike when you can go after Tito...Oscar chose to give the fans what they wanted and went after the man. Is it his fault that Ike went into seclusion and whenever he was offered a fight he did his best to outprice himself? I blame Oscar Zero for not taking either rematch or deciding to thrash Chavez one more time.
Jab your case about Mosley may be true, he may have picked him out thinking that Mosely's lofty record was merely a result of the weight and when asked too move up he would be easy prey. I can't argue that, however a very good case for the other side can be made as well. Who the hell wants to fight a guy that is lightning quick-even quicker than Oscar? Why take a fight with a guy that has little rewards? What was Tito doing? Fighting puppies in David Reid and Nando Vargas? I bring Tito's name up because these two guys were it at their respective weights, they were always compared and fought a mega fight that only left every boxing fan wanting more...Oscar and Felix are forever linked in my mind. Oh wasn't it Oscar who wanted desperately to do it all over again with Felix....I am I wrong here?
The Vargas fight was unavoidable! He was calling out Oscar when he was 5-0. Oscar dismissed this fight several times out of principal...he may have been scared who knows...who cares. After NAndo beat Ike Tito jumped in and fought the kid. Why didn't Tito fight Oscar??? Why Nando??? Fernando gave a great showing for getting basically ko'd in the first...Vargas kept running his mouth so ultimately the fight was unavoidable, plus it was one of the bigger fights in the history of Las Vegas(lampley said it was the toughest fight ticket in 20 years)...why not fight(keep in mind that Fernando was campaigning as the "real mexican", had Oscar continue to avoid him he would have lost a lot more respect)! Also Keep in mind the wimpy Hoya also moved up in weight to take on Nando, and had he fought Vargas when he was 20-0 wouldn't you accuse him of fighting a puppy just like what I have done to Felix?.
We both can go on and on, ya know I like what Merchant said on Saturday...about Oscar, Tito, Roy...shouldn't they stay where they are best at? I think so but in the same breath I say test your limits...Oscar has tested his limits against every possible opponent with every possible style...he is to be credited for this...Oscar is tougher than you think and I am betting that he still has a couple of showcase performances left in him...I hope he goes down as low as he can...between 130-147 he is one of the most exciting fighters I have ever seen. He has given me many more thrills than Hopkins and fought overall tougher competition than Tito....doesn't he deserve a little itty tiny bit of your respect?
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