Did Oscar Take A Dive

[jabsRstiff]

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No one is saying he took a dive.
But.....he went down on purpose to avoid being punished.

****ty, but not corrupt.

[The1God]

I do believe DLH was getting hurt and didn't want any further punishment, he took the opertunity to stay down, He knew the fight was over when he went down.

We haven't heard about him fighting again, right? He quit, He was a sellout.... Made his cash and joined with B. Hop. No rematch there... Conflict of interest now. Oscar hasn't shown us the heart he had prior to the Tito fight. Like many of the great fighters.... They are on their way out.

[WillieW]

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No one is saying he took a dive.
But.....he went down on purpose to avoid being punished.

****ty, but not corrupt.

Agreed, though I think he was actually hurt, he could have continued to fight. The better way to phrase this post is "did Oscar quit", not question weather or not he took a dive. Does this doom Oscar to disgrace.....not totally. He was getting beat down by a bigger man that specializes in constent sustained
pressure and picking his opponents apart. Hopkins dosen't KO his opponents, he gives them 12 rounds of pain. Oscar knew that.

[jabsRstiff]

If you're making 30 million+....& people at home are payin $60.00 to see you fight....you better stay in to the bitter end.

If some ESPN2 Fri Night Fight main eventer were to go down on purpose, for the peanuts he gets, he'd be ripped to shreds by everyone on here.

But, Oscar has his nutlickers & apologists turning their heads on this one.

[borikua]

Did Oscar took a dive? Maybe not. Did Oscar took the easy way out? Yes he did.

[urdaddyinAZ]

Totally agree!!! The look on his face like he was in so much agony was just laughable!!!

I'm another one that agrees. I don't think he took a "dive" so to speak. I think he was feeling like he had no chance to win the fight and was tired of being frusterated so he overplayed the actual effectiveness of the body shot. DLH thinks he's a good actor, but he's not! I liked him before that, now I think he's a coward.

[bandito]

i don't care. dlh is a *****!! i didn't think he did but know him and hopkins are all butt ****ing buddies now!! he is all over hopkins nuts right now!! that annoys me!! i don't know if he did and i don't care!!

[MikeHunt]

He should of never been allowed to fight Hopkins. He never had a chance to win this fight @ 160. Hopkins was too big, strong and gave DLH too much respect. Did you see the first Hopkins vs Echols fight? Obviously Oscar didn't either.

[pinaldino]

It's just impossible to say you are right or wrong and we'll never experience the feeling of that one shot, but seeing some of dlh fights (like witn El Feroz) I think he's a very proud and gutsy fighter. I've never enjoyed the guy (too much double talk and ***** crying) but inside the ring I don't see him taking a dive

[scap]

Scap....

You're a level-headed poster. Always glad to share opinions with you.

Here's the deal.... I have always thought Oscar was a bit of a con.
I've always had a problem with that. I get a lot of flak from other posters (on other sites) about my dislike of Oscar.
They always HOPE the reason I'm not down with the guy is because of his success, looks, etc.
This annoys me to no end. I have never cared about a fighter for anything outside of the way they fight, & their approach to the game.... ....


....Oscar DEMANDED a rematch with a SHOT former victim in Chavez.
Never did so with Whitaker or Quartey, did he ?
He only fought Mosley because he thought Mosley was a blown-up lightweight. He got that wrong....& went into a semi-retirement....& showed no interest in a rematch with Shane until after Forrest UNDRESSED Mosley.
What about Vargas ? "I'll NEVER fight him...he's classless & disrespectful." That's what Oscar said.....I guess getting badly punished by Trinidad & looking like garbage against Rivera & Flores gave Fernie some dignity, class, & respectfulness ? Nah, it just made him a less risky foe.

He fought Hopkins.....which I gave him a ton of credit for....until ,the fight itself ended.
Getting in the ring, & getting in to win are two very different things.
In my eyes, Oscar proved to me what I've always suspected about him.

I've found that Oscar comes up small in most of his big fights. He fights them TO NOT LOSE....he doesn't fight them to win.
Too tactical......doesn't take that step FORWARD to dare & be great.
That's where I don't think he's as great for the sport as you believe.
His two biggest fights (Hopkins & Tito)....he lures the general public to watch, & then he gives less-than-gung ho performances....leaving a sour taste in the mouths of people who aren't hardcore fans.
All the while.....getting paid MULTI-MILLIONS, & getting the adoration of millions.
So, if a guy like me doesn't like what he sees, BIG DEAL.

Some of the things you say I cannot defend Oscar for, there is a number of ways too spin it, however some of the things with Goldie are simply unfair, at least talk about the zillion other fighters that can be accused of the sames things you accuse OScar of...

Oscar fought Chavez because he needed to appeal to the "real Mexican" after the first fight the classless Chavez was bitching and moaning about the cuts that he suffered, he said that he would have won the fight. Many hispanics still in JC superstars corner believed this to be the case and Oscar who desperately wanted the approval of his "real mexican" fan base had little choice but too bust up the classless Chavez one more time.

Why no rematches with Sweat Pea or Ike? Well who the hell would want to see the Pernell/Oscar fight again...not me! A lot of people say that Whitaker one that fight and thats fine...they are dead wrong. Oscar tried to fight that night and Pernell was not interested...I disagree with the punch stats #'s from that fight, I thought Oscar won that fight and there was no need for a second fight asgainst a southpaw who was poised on winning the fight defensively. Knock Oscar for choosing fighters that have little left...well what about Tito? Had Tito fought the same Sweat Pea that Oscar did he would have lost! Tito waited a little while longer (me and you have had this conversation in the past). Pernell fought a style against Tito that he had never fought anyone else with. Knock Tito or many other legends for picking and choosing when too fight guys...thats the unfortunate nature of the business.

Ike and Oscar fought a hell of a war, no doubt! I had the fight on the table going into the 12th. We all know what happened, the 12th was absolutely dominated by Oscar, DOMINATED! Rematch you say...yeah that would have been nice but if I am not mistaken didn't Oscar have other plans? Plans that read FELIX TRINIDAD? Why fight a rematch with Ike when you can go after Tito...Oscar chose to give the fans what they wanted and went after the man. Is it his fault that Ike went into seclusion and whenever he was offered a fight he did his best to outprice himself? I blame Oscar Zero for not taking either rematch or deciding to thrash Chavez one more time.

Jab your case about Mosley may be true, he may have picked him out thinking that Mosely's lofty record was merely a result of the weight and when asked too move up he would be easy prey. I can't argue that, however a very good case for the other side can be made as well. Who the hell wants to fight a guy that is lightning quick-even quicker than Oscar? Why take a fight with a guy that has little rewards? What was Tito doing? Fighting puppies in David Reid and Nando Vargas? I bring Tito's name up because these two guys were it at their respective weights, they were always compared and fought a mega fight that only left every boxing fan wanting more...Oscar and Felix are forever linked in my mind. Oh wasn't it Oscar who wanted desperately to do it all over again with Felix....I am I wrong here?

The Vargas fight was unavoidable! He was calling out Oscar when he was 5-0. Oscar dismissed this fight several times out of principal...he may have been scared who knows...who cares. After NAndo beat Ike Tito jumped in and fought the kid. Why didn't Tito fight Oscar??? Why Nando??? Fernando gave a great showing for getting basically ko'd in the first...Vargas kept running his mouth so ultimately the fight was unavoidable, plus it was one of the bigger fights in the history of Las Vegas(lampley said it was the toughest fight ticket in 20 years)...why not fight(keep in mind that Fernando was campaigning as the "real mexican", had Oscar continue to avoid him he would have lost a lot more respect)! Also Keep in mind the wimpy Hoya also moved up in weight to take on Nando, and had he fought Vargas when he was 20-0 wouldn't you accuse him of fighting a puppy just like what I have done to Felix?.

We both can go on and on, ya know I like what Merchant said on Saturday...about Oscar, Tito, Roy...shouldn't they stay where they are best at? I think so but in the same breath I say test your limits...Oscar has tested his limits against every possible opponent with every possible style...he is to be credited for this...Oscar is tougher than you think and I am betting that he still has a couple of showcase performances left in him...I hope he goes down as low as he can...between 130-147 he is one of the most exciting fighters I have ever seen. He has given me many more thrills than Hopkins and fought overall tougher competition than Tito....doesn't he deserve a little itty tiny bit of your respect?