How big would Oscar have been in this social media era?

[djtmal]

Oscar would rival Ali definitely.

[Al Faz]

Oscar is the third biggest boxing star ever IMO. He lost the vast majority of his biggest fights yet still remained the biggest star in the sport.

1. Ali.
2. Tyson.
3. Oscar.

Lol no one knows ODH in Europe, Africa, Middle-east and Asia. Mayweather is a far bigger name by a country mile. Americans think the world revolves around them lol

[Beercules]

He would have been huge. All **** Oscar is P4P #1 dish

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Ok but what's the point there? Floyd didn't lose and that was a key part to his marketability; being invincible.

That wasn't the case for Oscar. Just like it wasn't the case for Floyd that most of his fans were female. So it's apples and oranges, and a moot point.

It's like saying Tyson wouldn't have his star power if he wasn't scary. If we're taking away fighers main part of their marketability then yeah, sure, they would lose their star power but the point makes no sense.

Like I said, if Oscar got burnt in a horrific fire accident and his face was deformed he wouldn't have the same star power either. It's irrelevant because he didn't.

Right. And Oscar didn't do "mega numbers" like them all too often either.

The point I’m making is Floyd didn’t have the star power Oscar had. The fact Oscar’s star power didn’t dwindle despite consistent big fight losses is what makes me rank him as the 3rd biggest star behind Ali and Tyson. I highly doubt Mayweather’s star power survives those sort of losses.

Had Floyd been burnt and still done crazy numbers I’d take your point but he didn’t. Oscar did lose and arguably lost his biggest 5 fights yet still remained the biggest star in the sport, had Floyd lost his 5 biggest fights I don’t think he still would have been the biggest star in boxing.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Lol no one knows ODH in Europe, Africa, Middle-east and Asia. Mayweather is a far bigger name by a country mile. Americans think the world revolves around them lol

I’m British you dope. You sound like a fanboy.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

A loss to Fishnets makes sense as that launched him. I still think it is a mistake to try to deflate his fanbase.

I get he cant market the record, but he still had the skills and talent. Maybe he uses the Olympic robbery to market himself.

Fair point, but when he got the stage, he showed tremendous charisma. He was also way ahead of other boxers using social media.

I think what makes Floyd’s rise to stardom impressive is he wasn’t meant to be a star. Oscar, Leonard, even Ali were groomed for stardom due to their Olympic success and mainstream appeal. Floyd never really had that, he had Olympic pedigree but he wasn’t the face of the games or at least the boxing tournament like Oscar or Ray. He had to work a lot harder to get to that level, and he was brilliant at marketing himself as this ****y, flash fighter who couldn’t be beat, however that persona relied on winning, I don’t think he could have afforded a loss, I see no way he survives 5 losses like Oscar did and remains as popular as Oscar still was in 2008.

[The Big Dunn]

I think what makes Floyd’s rise to stardom impressive is he wasn’t meant to be a star. Oscar, Leonard, even Ali were groomed for stardom due to their Olympic success and mainstream appeal. Floyd never really had that, he had Olympic pedigree but he wasn’t the face of the games or at least the boxing tournament like Oscar or Ray. He had to work a lot harder to get to that level, and he was brilliant at marketing himself as this ****y, flash fighter who couldn’t be beat, however that persona relied on winning, I don’t think he could have afforded a loss, I see no way he survives 5 losses like Oscar did and remains as popular as Oscar still was in 2008.

He was the face-until he got robbed. Also the bomb exploding completely overshadowed him and everything else that happened.

If he loses and doesnt get the odh fight, I think your point becomes valid.

[IronDanHamza]

The point I’m making is Floyd didn’t have the star power Oscar had. The fact Oscar’s star power didn’t dwindle despite consistent big fight losses is what makes me rank him as the 3rd biggest star behind Ali and Tyson. I highly doubt Mayweather’s star power survives those sort of losses.

Had Floyd been burnt and still done crazy numbers I’d take your point but he didn’t. Oscar did lose and arguably lost his biggest 5 fights yet still remained the biggest star in the sport, had Floyd lost his 5 biggest fights I don’t think he still would have been the biggest star in boxing.

Still not seeing the relevance what so ever.

Oscar's marketability had nothing to do with being unbeatable like Floyd's was, that's why he could lose and still be a star.

Oscar's marketability came from being good looking and women loving him, without his looks he's nothing. Much like Floyd would be with multiple loss's.

It's apples and oranges and the fact Oscar could lose fights and still be a star has no bearing on his the measurement of his star power because the reason he was a star wasn't based around that.

What's demonstrable are the numbers, and Floyd is on a different level to Oscar there.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Still not seeing the relevance what so ever.

Oscar's marketability had nothing to do with being unbeatable like Floyd's was, that's why he could lose and still be a star.

Oscar's marketability came from being good looking and women loving him, without his looks he's nothing. Much like Floyd would be with multiple loss's.

It's apples and oranges and the fact Oscar could lose fights and still be a star has no bearing on his the measurement of his star power because the reason he was a star wasn't based around that.

What's demonstrable are the numbers, and Floyd is on a different level to Oscar there.

So if Oscar beats Trinidad, Mosley, B-Hop, Mayweather etc you don’t think that makes him a much bigger star?

And then vice versa for Floyd?

I get the numbers argument but I don’t support it. If you solely go off numbers Floyd and Pac were bigger stars than Mike. That just simply wasn’t the case. I don’t think they’re the be all and end all to determine star power. I think you have to analyse why they were such big stars and what that was dependent on.

I just don’t think Floyd had the same magnetism that Mike, Ali or Oscar had. I think he played the game better than all 3 in terms of maximising your earning potential but I don’t think he was a bigger star.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

He was the face-until he got robbed. Also the bomb exploding completely overshadowed him and everything else that happened.

If he loses and doesnt get the odh fight, I think your point becomes valid.

I’m going off memory so it might be a little distorted but Floyd’s pro debut and early career never felt that big of a deal, I don’t remember him being that relevant until he beat Hernandez, that’s the first time I remember thinking this kid could be the next big thing, but even at that point, I didn’t envision him being the face of the sport, just a great fighter. Whereas with Oscar, Ray etc it always felt like they were being groomed to be the face of boxing.