Joshua is good, but nothing like a Lewis.

[Stuart Chandler]

Lewis best prime opponent he has beaten was Tommy Morrison.

[billeau2]

Holyfield past prime, Tyson totally shot, Golota was trash, Morrison was trash, Briggs was nothing special. Even his signature wins against Ruddock and Bruno came after Tyson had already beaten both of them

Only Tua and and Vital in that list could be considered in their prime and great wins.

Lennox is great but he managed to avoid fighting every elite HW of his era (Bowe, Tyson, Holy) when they were in THEIR primes. He played the long game, turned pro at 23 and waited it out. Good career strategy but his CV isn't anywhere near as good as some people think.

Bit like Joe Calslappy having Bhop and RJJ as names on his CV when in reality if he fights both in their prime he would have got schooled.

Tony... If you do me one favor? I will apologize for the error of any of my ways, publickly.... To you, to the Pope... you name it. "Crazy Joe, I apologize for insinuating you can be forgetful" Ill say it!!!! (Sam Kineson voice).

Show me one fighter's reign that cannot be questioned based on such nonsense as "This guy was past it", and... having beaten fighters that were all previously unbeaten before, and... while not being "ah that guy was still green!" I won't even dignify your "trash" comments... they are frankly ridiculous. AT THE TIME, Briggs was considered very hot, People swore Golota would beat Lewis blind, Morrison and Tua both had big punches...

You can always qualify a fighter's success, or failure. Roy Jones beat James Toney because Toney didn't train... Right? Wrong. It does not work that way.

[billeau2]

tyson was shot to bits from drugs, doesnt even count. vitali was luck, he would have lost that fight were it not for the injury. like i said, only holyfield counted and even in that we're talking about evan fields the biggest steroid cheat.
the truth is, the 90s era looked great because the top guys got to beat up on the old legends most of whom were literally gifted the belts after the end of the Ali era. That 80s era was full of charles martin style free belt holders and so people really believed they were great. Tyson and Holyfield beat up on them and the result was they got a lot of attention.

Ill give you the same incentive I gave Toneysoprano: I will publickly apologize for any of my ills, even apologize for calling sleepy Joe sleepy, if you can find me one champion who has such incredible wins over others that: they cannot be qualified. Like "champion X fought all opponents who were ATG, at prime, in the best shape of their lives when fight night came, etc...

Vitali was luck huh? and I guess depending on if you were a Vitali fan, Vitali winning would have been skill? And yeah Holy was that guy...THE ONLY FIGHTER TO EVER JUICE!!!! right? COme on man....

[Inspired]

Ill give you the same incentive I gave Toneysoprano: I will publickly apologize for any of my ills, even apologize for calling sleepy Joe sleepy, if you can find me one champion who has such incredible wins over others that: they cannot be qualified. Like "champion X fought all opponents who were ATG, at prime, in the best shape of their lives when fight night came, etc...

Vitali was luck huh? and I guess depending on if you were a Vitali fan, Vitali winning would have been skill? And yeah Holy was that guy...THE ONLY FIGHTER TO EVER JUICE!!!! right? COme on man....

i don't know what you're saying. ive read it back and just cba trying to make sense of your point. AJ beat Charles Martin just as Wilder beat Stiverne. I would never in a million years count those as anything worth every mentioning on a resume. These were guys who were gifted belts they never deserved. The 80s was full of champions of that calibre. It's just, when you sell dog sh** as american ice cream for so long, even coffee whip will taste like heaven. These guys in the 90s era beat up on bum 'ex champions' and got all the hype behind them.

Vitali was the superior boxer but that injury cost him, this isnt subjective, it is clear to see if you go back and watch it.
As for Holyfield, many more did cheat, but holyfield ran rampant with it. 'evan fields' was exposed in 2007. So he was on it for a long time.

[QueensburyRules]

Lol Joshua sucks, man. Haha And, trust me, I don’t normally talk that way about fighters, especially champions. But this is what we’re talking about, right? Champions? Tony is a very weak heavyweight champion. Cubans have a saying, “Grande por gusto.” Basically, it means “big for nothing.” Lol

- - Ugh, all Cubanos have done since washing up in America is stink out the place save Gamboa and Ortiz who at least come to fight even when they lose.

[sicko]

...OBVIOUSLY! Not even at his best was he ever in the same class or on the same level as Lennox

Eddie Hearn and Matchroom did a Masterful Job Building him up and matching him up properly to create what at least LOOKS Like a Superstar

They know his limits and Weakness so for years Eddie signed rising Contenders and possible threats to AJ and what he did was strung them along, remember they tried to do it with Usyk as well but his Manager would have none of it and they forced them to take that IBF Mandatory or give up the Belts, it was even talks of AJ possibly dropping that Belt before taking that Usyk fight

Even his entire Hometown Rigged Gold Medal Run was BS when technically he should've been Eliminated in the 1st Round of the Olympics vs Erislandy Savon who dominated him

So yeah Respectfully, AJ was NEVER on Lennox Lewis Level and Prime Head to Head it would be Lennox Lewis vs Michael Grant all over again, he gets completely WASHED by a Prime Lennox

[HENNY]

- - Hah-hoo-hee-hee Hennnytime is is yet again?

Maybe get U minder to 'splain the Birds and Bees to U, but Usyk Gold Medal Olympic Heavy been a heavy all his pro life as compared to Ali Lightheavy Gold. His average opponent ring weight from Olympic Gold to Pro ranks is approx 30-40 lb over that of Ali. Moreover, he didn't need to be diapered in 3 round headgear for two Olympics for his Gold before turning pro like U zer0 Lewie.

Deyonce was well whooped by TBA Arreola as did TBAs Washington, Szpilka, before he finally landed his punch. TBA Duhaupas shut his eyeball that's a stoppage in every honestly officiated fight, but of course but of course U being in Big Boy Trainers trying to grad from nursery school can be excused for knowing factual history. .

First, Usyk was in the Olympics in 2008 and 2012. He didn't medal in 2008. "Deyonce" did however, he won bronze. Do some research before you say, "he didn't need to be diapered in 3 round headgear for two Olympics for his Gold". At 19 years old, Usyk lost to Shawn Porter in the amatuers, who is the same age as Usyk. At 22, Lennox won gold in the Olympics. These are facts, not opinions

Secondly, Arreola quit on his stool against Wilder. 2 of the scorecards were a clean sweep, and 1 had Arreola winning 1 round. Wilder barely threw his right hand and swept him. Wilder, who sucks, made Arreola quit on his stool. Ruiz not only went the distance, but also got dropped. Again, these are also facts.

Lastly, since the topic was about Lewis and AJ, let's go back to where it all began for them. Both won gold at 22 years old, right? General consensus had Savon winning in the first round against AJ. But we'll overlook that for your sake. In the finals, AJ won from a draw back lol...Comparingly, Lewis won the gold by stopping Rid**** Bowe. These are facts, once again

Now read the rest of this entire thread to get a deeper understanding of what the majority of this group thinks about whos better between Lewis and AJ. My beliefs falls more along the lines of the general consensus, yours doesn't.

[QueensburyRules]

First, Usyk was in the Olympics in 2008 and 2012. He didn't medal in 2008. "Deyonce" did however, he won bronze. Do some research before you say, "he didn't need to be diapered in 3 round headgear for two Olympics for his Gold". At 19 years old, Usyk lost to Shawn Porter in the amatuers, who is the same age as Usyk. At 22, Lennox won gold in the Olympics. These are facts, not opinions

Secondly, Arreola quit on his stool against Wilder. 2 of the scorecards were a clean sweep, and 1 had Arreola winning 1 round. Wilder barely threw his right hand and swept him. Wilder, who sucks, made Arreola quit on his stool. Ruiz not only went the distance, but also got dropped. Again, these are also facts.

Lastly, since the topic was about Lewis and AJ, let's go back to where it all began for them. Both won gold at 22 years old, right? General consensus had Savon winning in the first round against AJ. But we'll overlook that for your sake. In the finals, AJ won from a draw back lol...Comparingly, Lewis won the gold by stopping Rid**** Bowe. These are facts, once again

Now read the rest of this entire thread to get a deeper understanding of what the majority of this group thinks about whos better between Lewis and AJ. My beliefs falls more along the lines of the general consensus, yours doesn't.

- - My mistake after you introduced Usyk when it was AJ with a limited ama career winning gold in his only Olympics. Main HennyHaHaHoHoHeeHee comedy is you moaning about Olympic scoring when it's established in modern times that the Olympics are fraudulent at best and the Host Countries are guaranteed a heist of medals.

Arreola was TBA with lackluster results previous 6 fights. What else could he do.

And how many unified titles did Lewie defend? None, nunca, nada, never. Add up all the titles AJ been defending and otherwise winning, they greatly exceed WBC Administrative Champ Title mentality Lewie kicks off his career with. AJ dared to be great by clearing out the stink left by Flubber who had to retire in a mental meltdown to dwarf Mike Tyson. . Lewie dared not and likely the only heavy champ to lose his title by single journey level punches.

[CubanGuyNYC]

- - Ugh, all Cubanos have done since washing up in America is stink out the place save Gamboa and Ortiz who at least come to fight even when they lose.

Lol Not entirely true. I will perhaps agree that a disproportionate number of Cubans never shook the amateur style; but there were/are others that fought/fight in an aggressive, professional manner. In recent years, guys like retired former cruiserweight champ Juan Pablo Hernandez, cruiserweight (and former heavyweight) Mike Perez, super-middleweight David Morrell, welterweight champ Yordenis Ugas and cruiserweight Yuniel Dorticos, to name a few, are examples. I’ve been loosely following a few young Cubans, of which Morrell is one, who are demonstrating crowd pleasing styles. Even Lara, who is usually a bore to watch, has had some very exciting outings. So yeah, the stereotype of recent years is just that. When it all comes together, I envision a return to the glory days of Cuban boxing, with a nod to ATGs Kid Gavilan and Jose Nápoles.

[QueensburyRules]

Lol Not entirely true. I will perhaps agree that a disproportionate number of Cubans never shook the amateur style; but there were/are others that fought/fight in an aggressive, professional manner. In recent years, guys like retired former cruiserweight champ Juan Pablo Hernandez, cruiserweight (and former heavyweight) Mike Perez, super-middleweight David Morrell, welterweight champ Yordenis Ugas and cruiserweight Yuniel Dorticos, to name a few, are examples. I’ve been loosely following a few young Cubans, of which Morrell is one, who are demonstrating crowd pleasing styles. Even Lara, who is usually a bore to watch, has had some very exciting outings. So yeah, the stereotype of recent years is just that. When it all comes together, I envision a return to the glory days of Cuban boxing, with a nod to ATGs Kid Gavilan and Jose Nápoles.

- - Juan Carlos Gomez very underrated pretty much had it all but for discovering the nose candy. Aside from Usyk being #1 cruiser, he's strong for 2-3 ranking.