The heavyweight division is only for HIGH TESTOSTERONE fans

[1hourRun]

To find cultured and knowledgeable boxing fans one must stay out of HW threads.

[daggum]

Could the light heavyweight champion beat the heavyweight champion? Could the middleweight champion beat the heavyweight champion? No. The HW champion is the champion.

when wilder was a champ yes.

[Toffee]

Naw, the best exponents of the actual art and science and craft of boxing haven't been heavyweights for a long time.

Depends what you're looking for.

If the best exponents of boxing were in lower weight classes, then they wouldn't be in the lower weight classes. They'd go and win the actual title. The best exponents are in the heavyweight division because they're the guys who go and fight for the open title. The Heavyweight champion demonstrates the absolute best combination of speed, power, technique, stamina etc...

If what you're looking for is skill combined with speed and stamina then go and watch the minimumweights. Or a dance contest.

[tokon]

You just proved my point actually.

Ocasio, loads of losses on his record. was given a free belt once.
Mike Weaver, similar, 8 losses on his record...was stiverne'd a free belt in 1982 after it was made vacant..in a weak time period.
Mccrory, was stiverned a vacant belt. look at his resume, lost to loads of bums.

Tony Tucker was actually good, so no hate at all, but he was once gifted a vacant belt too, so def not a real champion. was 35 and past it by the time lewis beat him on points. not really an elite fight that warrants 'ATG' status.

Frank Bruno, yeh, he wasnt actually that good. let's be honest here. he's a darling of british boxing only because of his character. his big win was vs oliver Mccall who had even lost to the father of Michael Hunter.

tommy Morrison, beat a long past it Foreman for a vacant title. like most of em with a padded deontay wilder esque resume and lucky to become a world champ
Ray Mercer, more of the same, became a hw champion beating an even worse than charles martin type of hw who was gifted a free belt.

Mccall, **** average, as i explained he lost to michael hunter's dad..and current michael hunter is a better fighter than his dad was.

akinwande, again won a vacant belt, few bum fights. choked against lewis. to even mention this fight...seriously.

Briggs, padded record, lost to a bum before. so honestly by the time he was going into the lennox lewis fight, he was just a bum and would not be classed any better than a dominic brezeale. eventually won a proper belt in a weak era.

Rahman, yeh, but no...guy got lucky in that fight, we know the story. he lost the rematch easily.

vitali, the headclash messed up the fight. he was winning prior to that.

'absolutely shames' lol...



Furthermore, AJ is 32 right now. lennox was beating akinwande at that stage. come on huh? like i said, all he really had to do was beat a shot mike tyson and a steroid abusing holyfield
dillian whyte, parker, povetkin, pulev, ruiz, wladmir klitschko...by 32..and you're hating? even if povetkin, pulev and whyte havent been world champions, they're superior to most of those names above.

Wilder, trash resume, gifted a free belt, but you can't deny his power. not a single one of the guys lennox fought in their prime (which excludes mike tyson) had that sort of power except vitali and like i said, that fight was spoiled early. lennox was derped by mccall and rahman with single punch ko's. whilst im sure lewis would have slept wilder, honestly would he have held up if wilder landed clean on him like he did to fury? over 3 fights, are you sure lennox would have won all 3?

andy ruiz, well he's sort of an oliver mccall/rahman type of story. he isnt really a proper champion. parker's better than him.
you can't trash what Tyson Fury's done so far and that's after 3 yrs out of the ring. beat wlad, beat wilder x3.

when im talking about this era, im also inc the likes of joe joyce, hrgovic, dubois. im also inc usyk and even michael hunter. im also inc pulev and povetkin. makhmudov and jalalov. there are more coming. the depth of talent right now is a different level compared to the 90s era.

Harsh but interesting perspectives.
Thanks.

[Madison Boxing]

yea i dont really get the excitiment for some of the lower weight classes, people like inoue, gonzalez. a grown man shouldnt weigh 50kg. find it hard to get excited by them guys when i know someone like chisora could knock them out in 10 seconds. the mayweather logan paul fight killed my appreciation for some of the lower weights too, quite bad really that an average joe in good shape with a bit of training could go the distance and not really get hurt by a former p4p number1

[removed]

I completely agree, and that's why low testosterone manlets like 1hourRun love watching midgets & women.

HWs are the kings of boxing.

[JakeTheBoxer]

I like hw, but this fight was not very good. I saw one more skilled fighter taking unnecessary risks in exchanges with physically stronger soft puncher , but being unable to finish him at the same time.

[maguirre]

The heavyweight division in the US is pretty much dead as there's not much activity. That's why you see US-based posters denigrating non-US fights. It's even comical comparing one era over another as if there's difference. How TF would you know? You can tell sore posters from another.

[ShoulderRoll]

Depends what you're looking for.

If the best exponents of boxing were in lower weight classes, then they wouldn't be in the lower weight classes. They'd go and win the actual title. The best exponents are in the heavyweight division because they're the guys who go and fight for the open title. The Heavyweight champion demonstrates the absolute best combination of speed, power, technique, stamina etc...

If what you're looking for is skill combined with speed and stamina then go and watch the minimumweights. Or a dance contest.

What are YOU looking for?

Do you like knockouts? I already explained how in the last 32 years the Ring ****zine Knockout of the Year has only come from heavyweights 6 times. Meaning the lower weights were responsible for the best knockout in 26 of those years.

Do you like great back and forth fights that are wars? I already explained how in the last 32 years the Ring ****zine Fight of the Year has only come from heavyweights 3 times. Meaning the lower weights were responsible for the best fight in 29 of those years.

What more is there to say really? Maybe you personally find a lot of satisfaction in the fact that prime Pacquiao could never beat prime Butterbean. But for those of us that truly appreciate boxing the heavyweights generally haven't been where it's at for 3 decades now.

It is what it is.

[BustedKnuckles]

I broke down that ****list of charles martin level 'champions'.
do some research. The weak paper champions of the 80s were mopped up by these new guys in the 90s. Lennox didnt need to do a lot. Like i said he only needed to beat a past it mike tyson and a post steroid using holyfield. Taking steds has short term benefits, long term it causes androgen resistence. Lennox was also clued up on every cheating tactic holyfield could use and had him neutralised.

Rate him highly, but ppl say hes a top 3 hw of all time as he was 'undisputed' and the best of a great era.

This era is much better, its just too stacked. Thats why i dont even want to praise fury yet.

My point is that I read your post but don't agree. I don't need to "do some research". It's not that I don't agree because I'm ignorant; I just don't agree.