Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Manny Pacquiao@135or140

[Snuff Armstrong]

Its no secret Pacquiao was stopped before with body shots. How would he stand up against a muderous body puncher like Julio? I dont think he'll be able to.

[gopi11]

there you go again, you're just a ****** hypocrit

I just watch Michael Jordan on ESPN a few minutes ago. He couldn't have said it any better.

Michael Wilbon ask Jordan what he has to say about him being the greatest basketball player of all time. He said it will be disrespectful to Wilt Chamberlain, to Jerry West and the others who he didn't get to play with, so he doesn't consider himself the greatest of all time.

This time, I hope you'll get my logic...

[blaze778]

I think both guys will have major trouble with each other, but I think Pacquiao will take it in the late rounds. Pac may not have the defensive of Whitaker, but I think he had the speed of Taylor, if not faster and more powerful. Pac definitely has more stamina. Chavez has a strong chin, but he was dropped and dissected by Frankie Randall. Pac would only win if he had a strong enough game plan to dissect Chavez and the stay away from the inside.

By the way, I think Marquez is more skilled than Chavez ever was, and even he had trouble hitting Pac in body as most of his counters hit Pac right on the chin. IMO, Pac/Marquez/Barrera/Morales > Chavez/Taylor/Camacho/Haugen.

[GrandMasterP]

I just watch Michael Jordan on ESPN a few minutes ago. He couldn't have said it any better.

Michael Wilbon ask Jordan what he has to say about him being the greatest basketball player of all time. He said it will be disrespectful to Wilt Chamberlain, to Jerry West and the others who he didn't get to play with, so he doesn't consider himself the greatest of all time.

This time, I hope you'll get my logic...

no one is talking about the greatest of all time
and theres a difference between basketball in boxing
in boxing you can actually see who is better by fighting each other, basketball is about acheivements, so its not quite like that
and this is all opinion, no one is saying for sure who will win, ppl are just stating who they think would win and their reason for it
but you're a dumbass and came in here thinking you're some sort of genius trying to say otherwise and just ended sounding like a complete hypocrit

[pelonxsoldier28]

I think both guys will have major trouble with each other, but I think Pacquiao will take it in the late rounds. Pac may not have the defensive of Whitaker, but I think he had the speed of Taylor, if not faster and more powerful. Pac definitely has more stamina. Chavez has a strong chin, but he was dropped and dissected by Frankie Randall. Pac would only win if he had a strong enough game plan to dissect Chavez and the stay away from the inside.

By the way, I think Marquez is more skilled than Chavez ever was, and even he had trouble hitting Pac in body as most of his counters hit Pac right on the chin. IMO, Pac/Marquez/Barrera/Morales > Chavez/Taylor/Camacho/Haugen.

the speed of taylor? not even close, have you seen any of taylors fights? you take the jcc that fought taylor in 1990/91 and fight pac, i got chavez by late brutal and bloody knockout. And the second part of your post, what are you thinking, i don't think you have much knowledge of the history or boxing in general.

[Eaner0919]

handle? as in handle it with his face? meldrick was tagging chavez at will. If he had played the fight right he would have won a unanimous decision, if he didnt trade so much with chavez it would have been as easy as pernell whitakers win.

if if if if if

my goodness

ever realize that maybe Taylor was a fast handed fighter who actually liked to trade? I mean you have watched more than one Taylor fight I assume?

[Steak]

for the most part, Chavez was very good against southpaws, Whitaker excluded. he was just too complete, too good, Whitaker...

but Chavez was particularly good at getting in range of the lead right, and smacking the right side with his left hook, which landed a lot against southpaws.

people talk about the combination punching of Marquez, but fail to recongnise the combination punching of Chavez. not only were his combinations fluid, but they were smart. he could mix up head-body-head combos better than almost anyone.

contrary to popular belief, Chavez did not have that much trouble with fast guys. he beat the **** out of Camacho and busted up Taylor bad, and theyre some of the fastest fighters youll ever see. no, the people Chavez had trouble with were volume punchers...he would stay defensive for too long, and end up giving away rounds sometimes just because his opponent would be able to outwork him, like against Sammy Fuentes.

Pacquiao has a good punch output, but I mean in the 90s and 100s. generally Pacquiao stays around the 70s in his most active fights.

Chavez also had one of most calculated left uppercuts of all time. I think that punch would work very well for him in this fight.

If you think about it, although Pacquiao likes to fight it out, hes not really a very good infighter. he likes to back off, get his space and teeoff. can Chavez close the distance and force the fight to close range is the question.

[wizard king]

to beat jcc you had to be the total package and guess what pac is no where near the total package. pac has way to many flaws compared to jcc. jcc will crack pac ****ty defense and that alone jcc will have a field day on pacs face and body.

[ßringer]

Pacquiao definitely has the speed and movement to really frustrate the **** out of a fighter like Chavez.

On the other hand ; Manny has still yet to be tested by a real puncher at any weight above 130lbs. Diaz never landed a glove, Oscar couldn't even find him, and Hatton was too busy looking at the rafters.

I'd be interested to see if Pacquiao was even capable of taking Julio's best shots. Some of those shots he was landing on my boy Meldrick back in 1990 were absolutely brutal. Pacquiao's chin and body would definitely be put to the test if Chavez was able to land on him consistently.

The real question is whether or not Pacquiao would allow that.

Truth be told he could box the piss out of a fighter like Chavez over the course of 12 rounds if he really wanted to but he is a horrible inside fighter and more often than not elects to fight inside in sputs when he's not using his angles to frustrate his opponet.

Great fantasy fight, right here.

Unfortunately "fantasy fights" amount to nothing more than the biggest **** tease in the history of professional sports.

[ßringer]

for the most part, Chavez was very good against southpaws, Whitaker excluded. he was just too complete, too good, Whitaker...

but Chavez was particularly good at getting in range of the lead right, and smacking the right side with his left hook, which landed a lot against southpaws.

people talk about the combination punching of Marquez, but fail to recongnise the combination punching of Chavez. not only were his combinations fluid, but they were smart. he could mix up head-body-head combos better than almost anyone.

contrary to popular belief, Chavez did not have that much trouble with fast guys. he beat the **** out of Camacho and busted up Taylor bad, and theyre some of the fastest fighters youll ever see. no, the people Chavez had trouble with were volume punchers...he would stay defensive for too long, and end up giving away rounds sometimes just because his opponent would be able to outwork him, like against Sammy Fuentes.

Pacquiao has a good punch output, but I mean in the 90s and 100s. generally Pacquiao stays around the 70s in his most active fights.

Chavez also had one of most calculated left uppercuts of all time. I think that punch would work very well for him in this fight.

If you think about it, although Pacquiao likes to fight it out, hes not really a very good infighter. he likes to back off, get his space and teeoff. can Chavez close the distance and force the fight to close range is the question.

Definitely agree with this.

Especially what you touched on with Chavez's style.

It's become commonplace for most fans to regard him as a one dimensional, face first, plodding brawler but in reality his tyle was much more exciting and dangerous than that.

His handspeed wasn't bad, either. I agree with what you said on it as well ; fast guys were no problem for Chavez. The Taylor fight is a clear example of that because while Taylor was outlanding him 2-1, Chavez was picking much better punches, putting more effort into them, and while his handspeed wasn't as blinding as Meldricks it also wasn't anything ot shake a stick at for such a hard hitter.