Julio Cesar Chavez vs. Manny Pacquiao@135or140

[AztecWanker]

Pacquiao definitely has the speed and movement to really frustrate the **** out of a fighter like Chavez.

On the other hand ; Manny has still yet to be tested by a real puncher at any weight above 130lbs. Diaz never landed a glove, Oscar couldn't even find him, and Hatton was too busy looking at the rafters.

I'd be interested to see if Pacquiao was even capable of taking Julio's best shots. Some of those shots he was landing on my boy Meldrick back in 1990 were absolutely brutal. Pacquiao's chin and body would definitely be put to the test if Chavez was able to land on him consistently.

The real question is whether or not Pacquiao would allow that.

Truth be told he could box the piss out of a fighter like Chavez over the course of 12 rounds if he really wanted to but he is a horrible inside fighter and more often than not elects to fight inside in sputs when he's not using his angles to frustrate his opponet.

Great fantasy fight, right here.

Unfortunately "fantasy fights" amount to nothing more than the biggest **** tease in the history of professional sports.

Pacquiao's best bet is to outbox Chavez over 12 but IMO, Manny is not that type of boxer that sticks to a plan for all 12 rounds. Manny jumps on his guy the moment he smells blood, he loves to trade, that may very well end in disaster for him against a guy like Prime Chavez. I see a SD for either guy, that is, if they don't kill each other during the fight.

[strugler]

I go with JCC...............that bodyshot will eventually find pacquiao........i think JCC chin will hold up to PACS power..........baiting him to go to war..........sooner or later PAC will comply.................and when he does............boom a bodyshot........BUT if PAC TKO/KOS welterweights(cotto, shane,PBF) i might be inclined to believe he has enough pop to atleast hurt/discourage JCC

[Steak]

Pacquiao's best bet is to outbox Chavez over 12 but IMO, Manny is not that type of boxer that sticks to a plan for all 12 rounds. Manny jumps on his guy the moment he smells blood, he loves to trade, that may very well end in disaster for him against a guy like Prime Chavez. I see a SD for either guy, that is, if they don't kill each other during the fight.

I dont think Pacquiao has near the boxing ability to keep Chavez off of him. Chavez was way too good a pressure fighter to keep off...even Whitaker didnt really run in their fight. there was a surprisingly high amount of fouling and dirty fighting in that fight, and Whitaker did have to fight inside quite a few times. he didnt stay there long, but he didnt flat out hug to death.

Pacquiao's smart fight plan would be what Id call 'controlled aggression'...throw his quick hands and combos for a bit, and then run for it while catching his breathe. Hed take damage and probably be the more beat up fighter at the end of the fight, but he very well might have won enough rounds in a 12 round fight to get the decision.

no offense meant to Pacquiao, but while his defense has improved, its pretty basic stuff. because of his quick feet he can evade a lot, but in the end his defense is mostly just a generic high guard. I think a lot of Chavez body shots would land because of that, because Chavez was too good of a sharpshooter when it came to his combinations...he didnt always land all of the punches, but if you had an opening in your defense, he would end up landing clean, hard punches there.

[ßringer]

I dont think Pacquiao has near the boxing ability to keep Chavez off of him. Chavez was way too good a pressure fighter to keep off...even Whitaker didnt really run in their fight. there was a surprisingly high amount of fouling and dirty fighting in that fight, and Whitaker did have to fight inside quite a few times. he didnt stay there long, but he didnt flat out hug to death.

The thing about Whitaker though is that he was actually a much better inside fighter than he was ever given credit for.

Granted he was no Chavez, but Pernell loved to mix it up in the pocket as much as anybody from time to time.

People just saw his amazing defense and labelled him a "defensive fighter" when in reality I'd say he was more of an offensive minded boxer with an insane ability to play D.

[t.boone.pickenz]

chavez had underrated defense and could slip shots on the inside.Pac isnt elusive at all and chavez was in their with the fastest.

i got chavez with a stoppage win over the president and dictator of the phillipines

[Steak]

The thing about Whitaker though is that he was actually a much better inside fighter than he was ever given credit for.

Granted he was no Chavez, but Pernell loved to mix it up in the pocket as much as anybody from time to time.

People just saw his amazing defense and labelled him a "defensive fighter" when in reality I'd say he was more of an offensive minded boxer with an insane ability to play D.

yep, Whitaker really had it all. even power, although he didnt show it too much.
defensive minded fighters dont land over 450 punches on fighters the calibur of Azumah Nelson. I think Whitaker landed over 400 two other times, too.

Pacquiao didnt have neat the infighting ability of Whitaker though, which I think is a key point to consider.

[AztecWanker]

I dont think Pacquiao has near the boxing ability to keep Chavez off of him. Chavez was way too good a pressure fighter to keep off...even Whitaker didnt really run in their fight. there was a surprisingly high amount of fouling and dirty fighting in that fight, and Whitaker did have to fight inside quite a few times. he didnt stay there long, but he didnt flat out hug to death.

Pacquiao's smart fight plan would be what Id call 'controlled aggression'...throw his quick hands and combos for a bit, and then run for it while catching his breathe. Hed take damage and probably be the more beat up fighter at the end of the fight, but he very well might have won enough rounds in a 12 round fight to get the decision.

no offense meant to Pacquiao, but while his defense has improved, its pretty basic stuff. because of his quick feet he can evade a lot, but in the end his defense is mostly just a generic high guard. I think a lot of Chavez body shots would land because of that, because Chavez was too good of a sharpshooter when it came to his combinations...he didnt always land all of the punches, but if you had an opening in your defense, he would end up landing clean, hard punches there.

The thing about Whitaker though is that he was actually a much better inside fighter than he was ever given credit for.

Granted he was no Chavez, but Pernell loved to mix it up in the pocket as much as anybody from time to time.

People just saw his amazing defense and labelled him a "defensive fighter" when in reality I'd say he was more of an offensive minded boxer with an insane ability to play D.

Absolutely right, guys.

[gopi11]

no one is talking about the greatest of all time
and theres a difference between basketball in boxing
in boxing you can actually see who is better by fighting each other, basketball is about acheivements, so its not quite like that
and this is all opinion, no one is saying for sure who will win, ppl are just stating who they think would win and their reason for it
but you're a dumbass and came in here thinking you're some sort of genius trying to say otherwise and just ended sounding like a complete hypocrit

LMAO!!!

I give up! You're a duller than a dull knife, ******!

I didn't say anything at all, so I didn't say otherwise numbskull. All I said is, that it is impossible to say who will definitely win until they fight the fight, imbecile. Now go back and suck your momma's ****, you're definitely lacking the nutrition you need to debate here you dumbass...

[Snuff Armstrong]

This thread turned into a great debate. Great points were made throughout. Chavez was definitely the complete package. He was far from one dimensional and a face first plodder. He had under rated defense and his pressure was relentless. His combo's were fluid and thunderous. Pacquiao's best bet would be to try and box. But there's no way he keeps Julio at bay all night, He would have to stand his ground and trade eventually inside the pocket, which definitely isn't one of his strongest assets. Julio on the other hand was devastating on the inside, which I think helps him break Manny down leading to a late round stoppage.

[boojee]

I guess this dude is not a true boxing fan

i totally agree with this guy 100%