Anyone who says Mayweather vs Marquez is an illegitimate fight is an idiot

[The Gambler1981]

he's not new, just improved. he's faster than anyone at 147 and stronger than anyone at 140

what does marquez have that puts him above anyone at 140 and 147?

That is not proven at all, those are assumptions. You know what they say about assumputions? They are the mother of all fuck ups~

[fdotorres]

That is not proven at all, those are assumptions. You know what they say about assumputions? They are the mother of all fuck ups~

make me see the light then: what world class fighter from 140 is stronger than pac? same question for speed at 147

[DonTaseMeBrah]

That is your comeback? I don't think they are bitches I was jsut giving examples that were fairly similar and I laid out why in the previous post which you really did not refute here so I take that as you can not.
Winning is winning whether you win by an inch or a mile~ and JMM won both his fights at 135 in impressive fashion.

JMM is a great fighter who is shooting for the stars, he asked for this fight it was not forced on him. He has earned the right to shoot for the stars.

Leonard had not fought close to 160 when Hagler fought him, infact leonard had only fought at 150 like 3 years before and not fought since (10 >9)~ Arguello started his career below 126 and Pryor started at 135 which is farther apart then JMM and Floyd (126 and 130). You didn't really say **** about B-Hop.

He wasnt saying Hagler and the rest of those guys were bitches it's called a "retorical question"... He was trying to point out that people moving up in weight to challenge other's is a part of boxing... But like most people on this site try to bring other things into the conversation that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, (i.e. bring up Benard Hopkins stint in jail) what the hell does that have to do with the thread topic?!?!?... This fight is a good fight and makes sense with the coinciding with Pac-Cotto the winners will most likely fight and the losers will most likely fight with Mosley being the wild card... I dont care who actually wins I'd like to see Floyd and Cotto win so they can fight and we get Pac-Marquez 3 as well... Or if Juan wins I hope Pac vise versa... So please just stop you're catching L's left and right

after leonard fought hagler, he fought la londe at a catchweight of 167 (i think) for super middleweight & lightheavyweight titles, then tommy hearns for the supermiddleweight (another catchweight), duran for supermiddleweight, terry norris for light middleweight, & camacho for the middleweight title again.

arguello before fighting pryor fought kevin rooney at 140, after pryor 1 fought six more times at 140.

bernard fought oscar who was a former 160 lb champ by way of robbery vs strum, is a former junior middleweight champ, oscar who is 5'11 wid a 73 inch reach

IS NOT COMPARABLE OR FAMILIAR TO JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ who has never fought at 144 or above 144.

"Rhetorical" Question?

Percentage chance of JMM fighting above 144 after Mr.counterfeit cash fight?

not bloody likely%.

[The Gambler1981]

after leonard fought hagler, he fought la londe at a catchweight of 167 (i think) for super middleweight & lightheavyweight titles, then tommy hearns for the supermiddleweight (another catchweight), duran for supermiddleweight, terry norris for light middleweight, & camacho for the middleweight title again.

arguello before fighting pryor fought kevin rooney at 140, after pryor 1 fought six more times at 140.

bernard fought oscar who was a former 160 lb champ by way of robbery vs strum, is a former junior middleweight champ, oscar who is 5'11 wid a 73 inch reach

IS NOT COMPARABLE OR FAMILIAR TO JUAN MANUEL MARQUEZ who has never fought at 144 or above 144.

"Rhetorical" Question?

Percentage chance of JMM fighting above 144 after Mr.counterfeit cash fight?

not bloody likely%.

Took you that long to do the research? I don't care what you think and you just make excuses. Whatever floats your boat though~

[The Gambler1981]

make me see the light then: what world class fighter from 140 is stronger than pac? same question for speed at 147

Physical strength? Juan Urango, probably Tim Bradley.

Speed at 147 Judah and Berto have very fast hands.

Not saying those guys are better overall fighters but in one category they can outshine Pac or atleast be his equal in terms of speed.

Unless you see guys fight head to head always tough to judge though and you never know for certain.

[fdotorres]

Physical strength? Juan Urango, probably Tim Bradley.

Speed at 147 Judah and Berto have very fast hands.

Not saying those guys are better overall fighters but in one category they can outshine Pac or atleast be his equal in terms of speed.

i'd agree with physical strength on urango, not bradley

on speed at 147, the ONLY guy that could be mentioned would be judah, but both him and berto can fight well for just 3-4 rounds. after that, their speed is average. IMO pac is faster than judah, but judah has better punches in his arsenal. i doubt pac will be able to throw the uppercut than judah landed on cotto to wobble him in their 1st round

[Konstantin]

They are still question marks, I would also say JMM>Samuel Peter (especially the fatass version Vitali fought, not taking anything away from Vitali though as he is an excellent fighter and comming back like that over any top guy is impressive).

If Floyd is the Floyd we all remember he should win rather easily at that but I have question about whether he is the same guy even though he is a gym rat and is not a partier. To me floyd should age like a fine wine, but that does nto really mean that he will.

I think JMM is a greater fighter then Cotto and for sure Clottey, those guys would be bigger challenges for Floyd but I would rather see two guys who I veiw as great duke it out no matter the weights then a great fighter fight a very good bigger fighter.

Why? Just cause the names??

Cotto and Clottey would give Floyd much more competitive bouts. I would love to see how Floyd handles Clottey, I've never seen him fight someone that style before.

Boxing is a sport, it's all about the competition. Jmm vs Floyd is not as good as a fight as Floyd vs Cotto would be and I bet ppv numbers would support that if the fight happened.

[The Gambler1981]

i'd agree with physical strength on urango, not bradley

on speed at 147, the ONLY guy that could be mentioned would be judah, but both him and berto can fight well for just 3-4 rounds. after that, their speed is average. IMO pac is faster than judah, but judah has better punches in his arsenal. i doubt pac will be able to throw the uppercut than judah landed on cotto to wobble him in their 1st round

It is not that big a deal anyways because you can think whatever way you like on the matter. The fact that it is not certain though was my point.

[bojangles1987]

For the last time(not really, people will still act like the fight is fair):

Marquez has never fought above 135, and even at that weight was not the same Marquez that arguably beat Pac twice. Adding 10 pounds will only hurt him even more. Floyd had the athletic ability to move up to 140 and 147 without losing anything, Marquez doesn't, and besides Floyd has been at at least 140 for a long time now.

It would be a fair fight against Pac for Floyd where it isn't for Marquez because Pac is a proven commodity at these weights. He hasn't lost a damn thing moving up in weight, whereas Marquez has. When he spark out the best fighter at 140 the way Pac did, any concerns about weight are gone.

To review, Marquez has gotten worse going up in weight, Pac hasn't. Marquez isn't a fair fight for Mayweather, Pacquiao is.

[The Gambler1981]

Why? Just cause the names??

Cotto and Clottey would give Floyd much more competitive bouts. I would love to see how Floyd handles Clottey, I've never seen him fight someone that style before.

Boxing is a sport, it's all about the competition. Jmm vs Floyd is not as good as a fight as Floyd vs Cotto would be and I bet ppv numbers would support that if the fight happened.

Great fighters are great fighters and watching two great ones no matter the situation is always fun, I would call JMM great at this point.

Thoise are both interesting fights I just place JMM above them in the grand scheme of boxing, especially Clottey who I view as nothing more then a high end gate keeper he just does not have what it takes to cut the mustard at the top end of the sport.

Cotto would be an interesting fight but while he is very good and a top guy for sure at 147 I just do not think of him as great at this point, that can change but right now he falls short. It would be a fine fight though down the road if things work out like that

You don't have to agree I really do not care