Lennox Lewis and the KLITCHKO BROTHERS are top 3 heavyweights of all time

[The_Italian]

Yes... but.... but.. Valuev is big! That makes him the GOAT!!!

hahaha i know right.

now since its 2009 all of the sudden size beats skill and smarts?

some of the posters saying the klit bros are the all time greatest hw's must be kids. i mean seriously.

size isnt everything...trees get chopped down everyday.

[knn]

and for the record...the williams v. ali fight is my prime example of how ali would beat valeuv...

If that disgrace of a fight (Ali vs Williams) would be your "prime example" of how Ali could beat Valuev then help you god.

Would your masterplan against Valuev include cutting out 20 feet of Valuev's intestines?

[StarshipTrooper]

Read a thread from the beginning before you start posting.

He was not 200 all of the time. He won the Olympic Gold Medal in the light heavyweight division (= subcruiser). Stop fooling yourself and others. As a heavy Ali was a pumped up cruiser with no defense and plodding along like Sam Peter, except for occasional "clowning and krumping sessions" (= floating like a bee).

And if I am your bro then Ali is your daddy. The big white Russian would KO your daddy.

Let's put this to rest shall we?

Date Opponent Ali's Weight

1967-03-22 Zora Folley 211?br /> 1967-02-06 Ernie Terrell 212?br /> 1966-11-14 Cleveland Williams 212?br /> 1966-09-10 Karl Mildenberger 204?br /> 1966-08-06 Brian London 209?br /> 1966-05-21 Henry Cooper 201?br /> 1966-03-29 George Chuvalo 214?br /> 1965-11-22 Floyd Patterson 210
1965-05-25 Sonny Liston 206
1964-02-25 Sonny Liston 210?br /> 1963-06-18 Henry Cooper 207
1963-03-13 Doug Jones 202?br /> 1963-01-24 Charley Powell 205
1962-11-15 Archie Moore 204
1962-07-20 Alejandro Lavorante 199
1962-05-19 Billy Daniels 196
1962-04-23 George Logan 196?br /> 1962-03-28 Don Warner 195
1962-02-10 Sonny Banks 194?br /> 1961-11-29 Willi Besmanoff 193
1961-10-07 Alex Miteff 188
1961-07-22 Alonzo Johnson 192?br /> 1961-06-26 Duke Sabedong 194?br /> 1961-02-21 Donnie Fleeman 190
1961-01-17 Tony Esperti 195
1960-12-27 Herb Siler 193
1960-10-29 Tunney Hunsaker 192

As can be seen from the official record AT NO POINT AFTER ALI'S SECOND YEAR AS A PRO DID HE EVER WEIGH LESS THAN 201 1/2. End of story.

Poet

[Southpaw Stinger]

If that disgrace of a fight (Ali vs Williams) would be your "prime example" of how Ali could beat Valuev then help you god.

Would your masterplan against Valuev include cutting out 20 feet of Valuev's intestines?

Disgraceful wasn't it? I mean an athlete using his superior speed and skills to beat a larger man. Sickening.

[TredKiller]

So funny, when Ali fans try to distract others from his ACTUAL performance in the ring (= featherfistedness), by bringing up some examples that have NOTHING whatsoever to do with HEAVYWEIGHT (like Valero or Forbes) or with other world champions.

how is a record of 37 ko's in 61 fights "feather fisted"???

and the kilts only have good ko records is because yes they do have power, but there comp sucks.

ali fought in an era with:

Frazier
Ellis
Liston
Patterson
Bugner
Holmes
Foreman
Norton
Chuvalo
Quarry
Bonavena
Mathis
Lyle
Young
Spinks

Most of the names i mentioned are in the HOF,
Who has wlad fought thats goin to the HOF???

[knn]

Disgraceful wasn't it? I mean an athlete using his superior speed and skills to beat a larger man. Sickening.

1) It was disgrace because Ali ran away. Disgusting fighting style.
2) It was a disgrace because of shot Williams

[Southpaw Stinger]

how is a record of 37 ko's in 61 fights "feather fisted"???

and the kilts only have good ko records is because yes they do have power, but there comp sucks.

ali fought in an era with:

Frazier
Ellis
Liston
Patterson
Bugner
Holmes
Foreman
Norton
Chuvalo
Quarry
Bonavena
Mathis
Lyle
Young
Spinks

Most of the names i mentioned are in the HOF,
Who has wlad fought thats goin to the HOF???

Ali's power is underated. He had a good stoppage record before he got older and slower. He was the only man to KO Oscar Bonovena, Frazier couldn't do it.
And both Liston and Foreman said that Ali had deceptive power.

[Southpaw Stinger]

1) It was disgrace because Ali ran away. Disgusting fighting style.
2) It was a disgrace because of shot Williams

Yes it is disgusting to out manoeuvre an opponent, absolutely. Much better to clinch and use your superior to reach to hold an opponent out of range.

[The_Italian]

If that disgrace of a fight (Ali vs Williams) would be your "prime example" of how Ali could beat Valuev then help you god.

Would your masterplan against Valuev include cutting out 20 feet of Valuev's intestines?

ali would make valuev look like the disgrace.

valeuv could NOT catch ali. i promise you that one. it would NOT HAPPEN!

NEVER!

a 7ft 300lb FATMAN (not boxer as far as im concerned just a gimmick like butterbean was) wouldnt beat ali.

ali would need to cut out more than 20 feet of intestine on valuev to bring that elephant down to size. period.

whats your masterplan then how do logically see valuev even having a chance to remotely come CLOSE to winning.

draw up the gameplan and lets see it.

[halford_saints]

Ali's power is underated. He had a good stoppage record before he got older and slower. He was the only man to KO Oscar Bonovena, Frazier couldn't do it.
And both Liston and Foreman said that Ali had deceptive power.

Speed X Mass = Momentum, and Ali is widely regarded as the fastest heavy of all time, so to anyone with a brain it is obvious he is not 'feather-fisted' however this guy doesnt seem to have a brain, so i don't think it is worth arguing with him to be honest