Lennox Lewis and the KLITCHKO BROTHERS are top 3 heavyweights of all time

[Marlin26]

dear god after reading this thread i have come to the conculsion that

1) you are one of the biggest trolls ive ever stumbled upon in all of the internet
2) you have mental issues and should be reported to a clinic as soon as possible

[knn]

Make a poll see who really won.

Fights are decided by 3 judges who sit a few meters away from the action.

if an almost inactive old man like Holyfield can make him look that bad with a little bit of movement what do you think Muhammad Ali would do?

Evan Fields made Valuev look bad because every fighter who runs away can make the other look bad.

Ali was also a "runaway kid", thus yes, Ali would probably make Valuev look bad. However, the Ali of the 70ies was too slow and too overweight to really run away.

Anyone who thinks Valuev beats Ali dont know **** about Boxing, the truth!!

If you think that Valuev can beat Sam Peter then Valuev can beat Ali, who was the Sam Peter of the 70ies. Just watch Ali vs Norton III. If you think that slow+featherfist Ali (= the Ali of the 70ies) will KO Valuev then you are mistaken. Ali also couldn't do his favorite head-down-pushing (since Valuev is too big). So we have to give Valuev the edge over Ali. The Ali of the 60ies wouldn't be allowed in the ring with Valuev, since Ali was a cruiser in the 60ies.

[TredKiller]

ok, break it down, how would ALI beat VALUEV? you live in australia you probably never even seen but about 2 ali fights

Ali was the fastest HW in history, and he isnt feather fisted, you can see that in his fights.

ali would murder valveu, to beat ali you need to have some speed, be in shape, and have head movement, valveu has none of those things

LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMP bob foster is quoted as saying Ali couldn't punch his way thru a paper bag.

is that the same foster that ali KTFO in 7 rounds, lmfao!!

There was no robbery involved and Evan's corner knew it during the fight.

The only thing that Evan managed to do was 1) to throw less punches than Valuev 2) run away as soon as Valuev approached.

Evan's fighting style was a disgrace for boxing. The only scandal was that one judge scored it 114-114.

Valveu sucks,
most contenders would beat him,
but he doesnt fight any

[TredKiller]

Fights are decided by 3 judges who sit a few meters away from the action.


Evan Fields made Valuev look bad because every fighter who runs away can make the other look bad.

Ali was also a "runaway kid", thus yes, Ali would probably make Valuev look bad. However, the Ali of the 70ies was too slow and too overweight to really run away.


If you think that Valuev can beat Sam Peter then Valuev can beat Ali, who was the Sam Peter of the 70ies. Just was Ali vs Norton III. If you think that slow+featherfist Ali (= the Ali of the 70ies) will KO Valuev then you are mistaken. Ali also couldn't do his favorite head-down-pushing (since Valuev is too big). So we have to give Valuev the edge over Ali. The Ali of the 60ies wouldn't be allowed in the ring with Valuev, since Ali was a cruiser in the 60ies.

wrong on 2 occounts,
peter cannot be compared to norton,
only a blind man would make that comparison,

and the ali in the 60's was anywhere from 205-215 pounds,
therefor he was a real heavywieght.

[them_apples]

the average as.shole (most of you) is what I like to call a MEDIA PUPPET. Meaning you follow what ever is 'popular' everybody says Muhhammad Ali is the greatest so we'll say it. Marciano was popular he so he's a great, Louis, Dempsey yada yada yah.

The truth of the matter is, for those FEW of us who aren't media puppets LEWIS and the KLITCHKOS beat any heavyweight who's ever fought more times then not. People like Mike Tyson because of his CHARACTER, yea he was good in his prime, but prime lennox always beats tyson, tyson could never get past the jab. Tyson has always had **** stamnia and always got discouraged when he couldn't knock a guy out within 3-4 rounds.

Ali had no power and wouldnt be knocked out by all 3, he's not decisioning a modern day 6'7 240 pound heavyweight, hell he got 2 gift decisions vs Norton. Marciano, Dempsey, Louis are too small and would be destroyed rather quickly, those 3 wouldn't even beat an average fighter like David Tua or Razor Ruddock.

As I said in years past, if their was magically a heavyweight boxing tournament of the top most known 64 heavyweights all time, college basketball tourney style, Marciao dempsey ali louis wouldn't be the final 4, they might not even get out of the 1st round. Imagine these 1st round match ups.

Ibeuchi vs Dempsey, Marciano vs V.Klitchko, Feather Fisted ALI vs Valuev Louis vs Holyfield .

If you had to bet your house on it that rocky marciano could beat lennox lewis or muhhammad ali could be wlad klitchko then your as ****** as you look!

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sheer ******ity

[knn]

Ali was the fastest HW in history
, and he isnt feather fisted, you can see that in his fights.

No, I can _NOT_ see this in his fights.

I _CAN_ see that he is featherfisted by looking at his KOratio of 30%+.

ali would murder valveu, to beat ali you need to have some speed, be in shape, and have head movement, valveu has none of those things

Ali wouldn't murder anyone.

Valveu sucks, most contenders would beat him,
but he doesnt fight any

Who cares whether he SUCKS? If he beats his opponents at the end of the day thus he may beat Ali, too.

[fightingwords89]

times change just like in most sports players or fighters from eras past can not compete with current players just as future fighters and players will develop to be even more superior...this thread sucks...nd lol media puppet yea just dont dude.

[The_Italian]

hey dumbie, these are HEAVYWEIGHTS, 'outboxing' isn't that important, do you have common sense? haven't you learned that yet with heavyweights?

yeah i've learned that about the heavyweights of TODAY but in the golden era of the division boxing ability wasnt overlooked. you honestly believe it was all power and ko's? just two guys standing toe to toe for 15 rounds and beat each other like those ****** rock-n-sockem toys for kids???

no.

thats just what the heavyweight division is today for the most part...oversized; out of shape monsters (usually 6'3 and up and 250+ lbs) slugging it out.

the heavyweights of old were actually very skilled boxers...not all of them but guys like ali didnt earn all those achievements by fighting without good boxing ability. or even the little men of the heavyweight division like holyfield...do you really think he would have achieved what he did (being at such a big size disadvantage in most of his fights at HW...especially against someone like bowe) if he stood toe to toe like rock-em-sock-em robots and slugged it out with men much bigger than him?

NO. they use good technique...good defense...their brains...not just their muscles. if that were the case holyfield would have been Ko'd or tko'd in every heavyweight fight damn near because he wouldnt have been able to take that type of abuse for 12 straight rounds...

Ok how would ALI beat valuev? give me a scientifical explaination?Ali's speed was overrated, people said he was fast because he ran around the ring, holyfield and tyson (small heavyweights) had faster hands.

ali would beat valuev easily. valuev is what 7 feet tall? 300 lbs?

well i dont care what you say about his speed being overrated against a 7 ft 300lb man ali would look 3times as fast as he ever did...valuev couldnt catch ali if he decided to stick and move and get on the bike...valuev would just eat jabs and tire himself out trying to catch ali. and i guarantee valuev would tire first.

the classic stick and move by ali would be literally all he needs against valuev because valuev would be so slow compared to ali and he's going to be much easier to hit (by being the slower man and the bigger target; as result of being the bigger man). ali would have his way with him all night long.

valuev's corner would have to stop it because i really dont think he could really get to ali because ali would easily see these punches coming before he's in danger of getting actually hit with them.

so even with the power disadvantage valuev wouldnt even have a punchers chance...ali would see em coming and could easily duck, slip, bob, weave punches...it would be a joke.

Ali had great defense? ali was very very hitable, he did have a good chin though. Leaning on the ropes holding isn't good defense!

he was hitable but he had great defense compared to the hw's of today thats for sure...

and if leaning on the ropes isnt a good strategy for defense just ask george foreman. im sure he would disagree with you.

you don't have to be 'sold' on WLAD, the man jabs harder then most heavyweights throw straight right hands. he hits like a mac truck, those so called 'old time greats' has never felt the power of the likes of WLAD or Vitali. You act has if Wlad is new on the scene, did you just start watching boxing last year?

ok he jabs hard. ok. so thats going to win him a fight? you think these ATG's cant get past a jab? i highly doubt the greatest heavy's in the history of the sport they wouldnt be able to get past a hard jab...even one as hard as wlad throws...

see this is the problem with wlad...we never see a fighter get past his jab because they all use the same type of strategy against wlad...guard up and come forward...but they forgot a few crucial things in their gameplan...like using their OWN jab...and using HEADMOVEMENT...etc.

this is what they forget so in essence they become live heavybags.

just like holyfield, tyson, marciano, ali; etc would get past this problem...easily...

and if haye follows through on that gameplan (as he mentioned he would on a FNF interview) he can beat wlad.if you take away wlad's jab what will he have left?

he relies so heavily on the jab silencing his opponent that im not sure what he'd do if someone faster was in with him in the ring and used that head movement...countered...stick and move...slip punches...

what would he do if he cant throw the jab? we dont see much more than that from him in a fit...a few rights and even fewer hooks...

im not saying he's one-dimensional but i think if you take away his jab and use good hand/foot speed and movement that he's going to panic.

If you think theirs 64 heavyweights who could beat this beast Vitali then you should just close your account and go BACK to the WWF site where you use to have an account. Who'll beat Vitali? floyd paterson and jack dempsey? lol, they wouldn't even beat a prime roy jones.

"this beast vitali"? get outta here. we all know wlad is the better heavyweight and a guy with good headmovement and speed/endurance could beat both of the brothers. and its not an opinion...its a fact. if holyfield was younger i'd say he could do it. he's perfect in terms of size and athletic ability to give these giants a run for their money.

thank you and have a nice day.

[knn]

wrong on 2 occounts,
peter cannot be compared to norton,

I never compared Peter to Norton.

I compared Peter to Ali.

and the ali in the 60's was anywhere from 205-215 pounds,
therefor he was a real heavywieght.

Ali's median weight in the 60ies was 199. His opponents were 196. Of course "Cassius the Cruiser" was faster than Valuev. But compare Cassius with David Haye, not with Valuev.

[TredKiller]

No, I can _NOT_ see this in his fights.

I _CAN_ see that he is featherfisted by looking at his KOratio of 30%+.


Ali wouldn't murder anyone.


Who cares whether he SUCKS? If he beats his opponents at the end of the day he may beat Ali, too.

ali ko's 37 out of 61 fights, thats way more then 30%

I never compared Peter to Norton.

I compared Ali to Peter.


Ali's median weight in the 60ies was 199. His opponents were 196.

you info is wrong bro, he was over 200 all the time.