Pacquiao Knocking out Cotto doesnt make sense.

[wizard king]

I finally see it, this post made me realize why people think Cotto is going on a downward spiral. Cotto's fights that you just mentioned were incredibly hard fighters/fights for anyone, Mayweather won't even fight 2/3 of them and Judah have Mayweather in trouble till the later half of the fight. Cotto isn't fading he's facing premium competition and he's in flat out brawls with these guys and for some reason people see this as him being bad. Didn't he win 2/3 of these brawls? And just like Paq is now, before the Margarito fight Cotto was being viewed as unstoppable until he faced a bigger man, in Margarito in which, tainted the fight was or not, he got beat and it showed there is a way to stop Cotto.

Manny is in that point of his career right now, the "Invincible" stage. His last three fights he looked extremely impressive I wont deny but all 3 were against names, but not elite fighters. Hatton is overrated he was a big man in a weak division and his last 3 fights prior to Paq you could see his terrible weight gain/loss in between fights caught up with him. Diaz... put Paq against Baby Bull Diaz and see if he looks half as good, that sums that up easily. As for De La Hoya he's never won a mega-fight. Mosley, he lost twice... Tito, he lost... Hopkins, he lost. Paq was put in against people who were perfect to show off his skills and that's exactly what he did. Cotto could have done the same, look what he did to Jennings and Gomez, you can make anyone look good.

People say that Paq is untouchable, why? Because of his last 3 fights, I said before I'll say it again you base a guy of his career not off of what he has done recently. He lost to Morales, draw with JMM in the first fight and barely won the second by a single point. You don't lose, draw and barely win by not being hit. So please, Paq is not untouchable his last three fights were there to show what Paq can do which is impressive, no doubt. But if a guy isn't in there with someone to be a threat to him you can't put much into that persons stock, look at what happened to Ortiz this passed weekend. I'm not saying that Paq only fights tomato cans, he's proved he doesn't but he hasn't fought anyone that is a threat to his style and that's all people see, which is...

Well Paq beat his last 3 guys easily, and Cotto didn't so Paq is obviously going to kick the **** out of him. That is the perfect definition of ignorance, talking about something yet not knowing a thing of what you speak of.

very good points alot of people will get it but trying to get any nuthugger to comprehend this they wont. people are so caught up in the hype its ridiculous

[7punchcombo]

Who has Cotto ever knocked out besides C-level opponents?

Iunno Corley quintana and Judah were all top level fighters. Fighters that all will give Pacquiao problems

Pac really has only Morales and even then Morales was on his way out already after plenty of battles.

[fightingfigs]

I finally see it, this post made me realize why people think Cotto is going on a downward spiral. Cotto's fights that you just mentioned were incredibly hard fighters/fights for anyone, Mayweather won't even fight 2/3 of them and Judah have Mayweather in trouble till the later half of the fight. Cotto isn't fading he's facing premium competition and he's in flat out brawls with these guys and for some reason people see this as him being bad. Didn't he win 2/3 of these brawls? And just like Paq is now, before the Margarito fight Cotto was being viewed as unstoppable until he faced a bigger man, in Margarito in which, tainted the fight was or not, he got beat and it showed there is a way to stop Cotto.

Manny is in that point of his career right now, the "Invincible" stage. His last three fights he looked extremely impressive I wont deny but all 3 were against names, but not elite fighters. Hatton is overrated he was a big man in a weak division and his last 3 fights prior to Paq you could see his terrible weight gain/loss in between fights caught up with him. Diaz... put Paq against Baby Bull Diaz and see if he looks half as good, that sums that up easily. As for De La Hoya he's never won a mega-fight. Mosley, he lost twice... Tito, he lost... Hopkins, he lost. Paq was put in against people who were perfect to show off his skills and that's exactly what he did. Cotto could have done the same, look what he did to Jennings and Gomez, you can make anyone look good.

People say that Paq is untouchable, why? Because of his last 3 fights, I said before I'll say it again you base a guy of his career not off of what he has done recently. He lost to Morales, draw with JMM in the first fight and barely won the second by a single point. You don't lose, draw and barely win by not being hit. So please, Paq is not untouchable his last three fights were there to show what Paq can do which is impressive, no doubt. But if a guy isn't in there with someone to be a threat to him you can't put much into that persons stock, look at what happened to Ortiz this passed weekend. I'm not saying that Paq only fights tomato cans, he's proved he doesn't but he hasn't fought anyone that is a threat to his style and that's all people see, which is...

Well Paq beat his last 3 guys easily, and Cotto didn't so Paq is obviously going to kick the **** out of him. That is the perfect definition of ignorance, talking about something yet not knowing a thing of what you speak of.

Im trying to tell these guys everything your saying but they dont get it

[Iceta]

Iunno Corley quintana and Judah were all top level fighters. Fighters that all will give Pacquiao problems

Pac really has only Morales and even then Morales was on his way out already after plenty of battles.

Corley and Judah were not top level fighters at the time Cotto fought them. They never went on to do anything meaningful after Cotto beat them and they were at gatekeeper status by the time Cotto got to them. He beat Judah and Corley more impressively than Mayweather did though. I'll give him that. Quintana only went on to beat Paul Williams in a fairly competitive fight that went the distance and then got sparked in the rematch. He has been pulling out of fights lately. I need to see him do something impressive before I make that out to be some kind of great victory for Cotto.

[Pullcounter]

Who has Cotto ever knocked out besides C-level opponents?

my bad I mean possible stopped, not KOed.

[tesla_power]

I finally see it, this post made me realize why people think Cotto is going on a downward spiral. Cotto's fights that you just mentioned were incredibly hard fighters/fights for anyone, Mayweather won't even fight 2/3 of them and Judah have Mayweather in trouble till the later half of the fight. Cotto isn't fading he's facing premium competition and he's in flat out brawls with these guys and for some reason people see this as him being bad. Didn't he win 2/3 of these brawls? And just like Paq is now, before the Margarito fight Cotto was being viewed as unstoppable until he faced a bigger man, in Margarito in which, tainted the fight was or not, he got beat and it showed there is a way to stop Cotto.

Manny is in that point of his career right now, the "Invincible" stage. His last three fights he looked extremely impressive I wont deny but all 3 were against names, but not elite fighters. Hatton is overrated he was a big man in a weak division and his last 3 fights prior to Paq you could see his terrible weight gain/loss in between fights caught up with him. Diaz... put Paq against Baby Bull Diaz and see if he looks half as good, that sums that up easily. As for De La Hoya he's never won a mega-fight. Mosley, he lost twice... Tito, he lost... Hopkins, he lost. Paq was put in against people who were perfect to show off his skills and that's exactly what he did. Cotto could have done the same, look what he did to Jennings and Gomez, you can make anyone look good.

People say that Paq is untouchable, why? Because of his last 3 fights, I said before I'll say it again you base a guy of his career not off of what he has done recently. He lost to Morales, draw with JMM in the first fight and barely won the second by a single point. You don't lose, draw and barely win by not being hit. So please, Paq is not untouchable his last three fights were there to show what Paq can do which is impressive, no doubt. But if a guy isn't in there with someone to be a threat to him you can't put much into that persons stock, look at what happened to Ortiz this passed weekend. I'm not saying that Paq only fights tomato cans, he's proved he doesn't but he hasn't fought anyone that is a threat to his style and that's all people see, which is...

Well Paq beat his last 3 guys easily, and Cotto didn't so Paq is obviously going to kick the **** out of him. That is the perfect definition of ignorance, talking about something yet not knowing a thing of what you speak of.

I respect your opinion but as a PAC fan, I think he changed his style into "hit/combo and move away ... until opponent if weak ... then move for the finish mode " from the "search and destroy mode" in the barrera, morales, marquez fights. But I'm very wary on Cotto's timing. PAC could get away with Marquez's shots but I'm not sure of Cotto's. Nothing in the last 3 fights did I get any hints on how he could take a bigger man's shot. Hopefully, he could. On the other hand, the backpedalling of Cotto in his fights with Clottey and Margarito are either stamina issues, chin/balance issues, or just another strategy to win depending on your opinion. Hoping for good fight between the two if it ever gets signed.

[Attrib_39]

Well Paq beat his last 3 guys easily, and Cotto didn't so Paq is obviously going to kick the **** out of him. That is the perfect definition of ignorance, talking about something yet not knowing a thing of what you speak of.

Yeah to sum it up, it means, never to conclude at this
point the outcome of the fight. eitherway
both are capable of doing anything.

Because boxing was never scientific that
we can measure all the variables accurately.
It's like life, its like a box of chocolate
you'll never know what you gonna get.

But only some things are sure:

Cotto Fans:

If Cotto Wins:
1. "I told you so!"
2. Someone will make a thread with a title ('Now where are the Pachuggers?')

If Pac Wins:
1. "Oh Sh%t! Ive never seen that one coming."
2. "He's just being lucky."
3. Excuses, Excuses... (For those who still want to give pac props)

Pac Fans:

If Pac Wins:
1. Eat your words!:****you:
2. Someone will make a thread ('Nonsense my as$!')

If Cotto Wins:
1. ', expected! Cotto is the Bigger man!'
2. PacFans will shutup


And The cycle continues till the next match for both fighters!...

[Buckfever]

What we really don't know yet is just how well Pac has adapted to the higher weight. It may very well be that at 140 he's gained a great deal of power and we just don't know it yet. What we do know is that he's retained the speed. So you can't rule it out, but that said, Margarito, Mosley, Clottey are all really strong and couldn't take him out, I really don't see it.

[fightingfigs]

That's the only round championship round that Cotto won in that fight, the 11th. He landed some punches in that round, but does anybody notice how ineffective they were, because they didn't stop Mosley from coming forward. He won the round with that, but the punches didn't really get Mosley's respect.

Dude what are you talking about? He won the beginning of the fight as well. theres a reason that he was awarded a unanimous decision.

he won he 12th too. Even the announcers from setanta claimed Shane needed a Knockout to win.

Dude Mosley gave Cotto TONS of respect. the guy admitted he was beaten

[7punchcombo]

Corley and Judah were not top level fighters at the time Cotto fought them. They never went on to do anything meaningful after Cotto beat them and they were at gatekeeper status by the time Cotto got to them. He beat Judah and Corley more impressively than Mayweather did though. I'll give him that. Quintana only went on to beat Paul Williams in a fairly competitive fight that went the distance and then got sparked in the rematch. He has been pulling out of fights lately. I need to see him do something impressive before I make that out to be some kind of great victory for Cotto.

Whatever buddy. Go ahed down 3 top level opponents man . As far as teh Mosley fight you know nothing bro.

He clearly beat mosley. Only Cotto haters claim it was closer than people think.

A UNANIMOUS DECISION isnt a close fight and it was clearly evident that Cotto overcame the great shane mosley. Mosley also admitted defeat after. he claimed he was outboxed and complimented Cottos skill