How good of a win was Calzaghe's win over Kessler

[Dave Rado]

Although he didn't have big names like Hopkins or someone, Kessler actually has a pretty good record and there are some pretty damn good champions that he fought and beat very convincingly.

Instead of pretending that he hasn't fought a single good fighter worth mention, why not go find his record and see how many champions he has beaten. He was a very good fighter with a good record, and it was a very good win.

I really think anybody who says Andrade is the best guy he's fought is daft. Andrade is pretty good but has never won a title. Kessler has fought a number of very solid champions who have held a title with good success.

Just the fact that he is a two time world champion who unified the major belts is impressive enough. Someone who can do that is a really good fighter, especially someone who has done by not winning a single lucky fight but had numerous defenses of his title and worked up the hard way.

Anyway, for those that have a little too much bias for whatever reason to check his record I'll put up a brief list here:

Julio Cesar Green: Solid fighter who beat Joppy for the title.
Dingaan Thobela: Another solid fighter who knocked out Glenn Catley (a very good fighter in his own right) for the title.
Manny Siaca: Won the title in Australia off Mundine which is a good accomplishment.
Anthony Mundine: A very skilled fighter who would be hard for anyone to beat, whether you think he's a **** or not. 2 time world champ with many defenses of his title.
Eric Lucas: Very good champ who also fought for the LHW title. Has fought everyone in his time and only lost to the very best.
Markus Beyer: A very underrated win and a very underrated fighter. A three time world champion with 11 title defenses all up and some very good wins over very good opponents and champions.

He has also fought some very good contenders, some of which will no doubt become a title holder one day, such as Andrade, Haussler (who has actually beaten some fine fighters like Christian Sanavia, Catley, Porras etc), Henry Porras, Craig Cummings, Dimitri Sartisan etc etc.

He's a good fighter who has already done a fair bit. I don't disagree that he really needs to do more, but saying he has not done anything and beaten no one is ridiculous and ignorant. Just because he hasn't gone up and fought Dawson doesn't make him a Euro-hanging hack.

Good post.

[Technical_Skill]

You're just saying you like Casamayor. Good fighter, I have nothing against him, but I would be astonished if any of the serious ATG lists ever rank him as high as Calzaghe. Too many bad performances. And I think your mentioning Katsidis as a good win is funny - Katsidis is a seriously over-rated fighter. Entertaining, but no skill. His fight against the extremely limited Graham Earl showed him up for the second tier fighter he is. A bit like Gatti, only even less skilled than Gatti was.

You Serious?

Casamayor got in the ring with Corrales, Castillo, Juan Manuel Marquez, Frietas, Nate campbell and Knocked kasidis out when he was an old man with one of the best knockout punches in years.

So his resume murders calzaghe's, then there are the decsions that went against him, that people think should have gone his way.

Then there is the skill level, you wanna tell me calzaghe is more skilled than Casamayor?

[Mr. Philadel]

That win is overrated. Kessler didnt spar and had a broken right hand going into the fight. Still Joe couldn't keep Kessler from competing.

Dam I didn't even know that.....good lookin' Bat .......Joe's resume is lookin' tainted by the minute......Kessler's hand and B-Hop's thyroid.......I think they'll beat Joe if he gave either a rematch.

[Dave Rado]

You Serious?

Casamayor got in the ring with Corrales, Castillo, Juan Manuel Marquez, Frietas, Nate campbell and Knocked kasidis out when he was an old man with one of the best knockout punches in years.

So his resume murders calzaghe's, then there are the decsions that went against him, that people think should have gone his way.

Then there is the skill level, you wanna tell me calzaghe is more skilled than Casamayor?

Those people Casamayor got in the ring with were in his division when he fought them. He happened to be in a much stronger division than Joe was. And he lost to Castillo, Corrales and JMM, and not at all controversially IMO. He got a great KO against an extremely limited, over-rated fighter in Katsidis who knocked him out of the ring earlier on. He is highly skilled, but your dislike of Joe's style blinds you to his skills. He showed superb ring generalship and tactical intelligence in the ring, with an exceptional ability to change tactics mid-fight when necessary. His hand speed was incredible for someone of that weight. He punched harder than people give him credit for, especially early in his career, before he had to find a way to protect his fragile knuckles. He had 33 KOs, 10 fights ended in the first round. 8 fights ended in the second round.

A lot of great fighters have lost to inferior fighters. Lewis lost to McCall and Rachman - he avenged both, but the point is, he lost. Duran lost to Kirkland Laing, for goodness sakes. Calzaghe always found a way to win, even though he fought some fights with a broken hand, and had off nights in others. That's quite an achievement over such a long period.

His record pre-Lacy is comparable with Hopkins' record pre-Trinidad - he dominated an admittedly weak division for a long time.

[Dave Rado]

Dam I didn't even know that....

That's because it's not true.

[phoneboothboxer]

a win is a win... i'm not a Joe fan, but i recognize what he can do in the ring... he's definitely got skills, but that fight was more a thing of Kessler getting too anxious for a KO after Joe was rocked a few times... after a few rounds, Kessler ran outta gas and had to try to pick off punches from a fresher guy with faster hands... in a rematch, i think Kessler would take it, but good win for Joe... it wasn't his fault the kid gassed out...

[S A M U R A I]

Although he didn't have big names like Hopkins or someone, Kessler actually has a pretty good record and there are some pretty damn good champions that he fought and beat very convincingly.

Instead of pretending that he hasn't fought a single good fighter worth mention, why not go find his record and see how many champions he has beaten. He was a very good fighter with a good record, and it was a very good win.

I really think anybody who says Andrade is the best guy he's fought is daft. Andrade is pretty good but has never won a title. Kessler has fought a number of very solid champions who have held a title with good success.

Just the fact that he is a two time world champion who unified the major belts is impressive enough. Someone who can do that is a really good fighter, especially someone who has done by not winning a single lucky fight but had numerous defenses of his title and worked up the hard way.

Anyway, for those that have a little too much bias for whatever reason to check his record I'll put up a brief list here:

Julio Cesar Green: Solid fighter who beat Joppy for the title.
Dingaan Thobela: Another solid fighter who knocked out Glenn Catley (a very good fighter in his own right) for the title.
Manny Siaca: Won the title in Australia off Mundine which is a good accomplishment.
Anthony Mundine: A very skilled fighter who would be hard for anyone to beat, whether you think he's a **** or not. 2 time world champ with many defenses of his title.
Eric Lucas: Very good champ who also fought for the LHW title. Has fought everyone in his time and only lost to the very best.
Markus Beyer: A very underrated win and a very underrated fighter. A three time world champion with 11 title defenses all up and some very good wins over very good opponents and champions.

He has also fought some very good contenders, some of which will no doubt become a title holder one day, such as Andrade, Haussler (who has actually beaten some fine fighters like Christian Sanavia, Catley, Porras etc), Henry Porras, Craig Cummings, Dimitri Sartisan etc etc.

He's a good fighter who has already done a fair bit. I don't disagree that he really needs to do more, but saying he has not done anything and beaten no one is ridiculous and ignorant. Just because he hasn't gone up and fought Dawson doesn't make him a Euro-hanging hack.

Excellent post, Benny. It's always nice when someone argues with facts, knowledge, and without bias.

I tried to give green K but I've already given too much out.



| |

[Deja_Vous]

Excellent post, Benny. It's always nice when someone argues with facts, knowledge, and without bias.

I tried to give green K but I've already given too much out.

So what was Kessler's biggest win???

[Pugilistic™]

One of Calzaghe's best wins, Kessler appears to me to be a very good boxer but his resume lacks just now.

Hopefully he proves how good he is against better opposition.

[Technical_Skill]

Those people Casamayor got in the ring with were in his division when he fought them. He happened to be in a much stronger division than Joe was. And he lost to Castillo, Corrales and JMM, and not at all controversially IMO. He got a great KO against an extremely limited, over-rated fighter in Katsidis who knocked him out of the ring earlier on.

Ermm Katsidis is was an animal at 135 and big for that weight too, and was the favorite against an old casamayor who had his last decent fight and knocked him senseless with a classic punch, so i dunno where you going with that one, that was a big win.

Casamayor was more skilled than calzaghe and fought better fighters, most of them in their prime as well imo, even when he was old he was still willing to take on the best fighters which is why he has losses on his record.

Oh yeah, but Joe never got the chance to take on the best at their prime right? Cos they all wouldnt come to his backyard and fight, or they were ducking him right? Just like right now he has the chance to take on the guy many see as the best lightheavy in the world, wants to fight him, and he's not motivated by that right?

Infact, dont bother replying, ive heard all the same excuses before from calazghe fans.

I dont mind you guys supporting him, but dont discredit great skillful warriors like casamayor who dont make excuses, go out there, and fight greats in their primes.