How good of a win was Calzaghe's win over Kessler

[Dave Rado]

Notice how Ricky Hatton doesnt get the same degree of stick calzaghe does anymore, thats because he actually fights greats in their prime and is getting his dues.

I don't know what threads you've been reading. There are hundreds of Hatton haters on krikya360.com. If I had a penny for every recent post that said he hasn't beaten anyone apart from washed up has-beens and bums; or that he is the most over-rated fighter in boxing today; or that he is the dirtiest so-called elite fighter in the history of boxing and if it wasn't for lenient refereeing he wouldn't be able to beat anyone; then I would be a very rich man.

[Technical_Skill]

I don't know what threads you've been reading. There are hundreds of Hatton haters on krikya360.com. If I had a penny for every recent post that said he hasn't fought anyone apart from washed up has-beens and bums; or that he is the most over-rated fighter in boxing today; or that is the dirtiest so-called elite fighter in the history of boxing and if it wasn't for lenient refereeing he wouldn't be able to beat anyone; then I would be a very rich man.

IMO, Calzaghe gets it way worse on here at the moment, for the reasons I have already stated, but maybe thats me.

Anyways, Im done with winding you guys up a little now, nice to see your calzaghe defensive skills are still sharp.

No more tears now, you too Samurai.

Laters.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

IMO, Calzaghe gets it way worse on here at the moment, for the reasons I have already stated, but maybe thats me.

Anyways, Im done with winding you guys up a little now, nice to see your calzaghe defensive skills are still sharp.

No more tears now, you too Samurai.

Laters.

LOL



For Kessler, it'd be better if Taylor beats Froch. Winning the WBC back from Taylor in the US could be a good launchpad for him out there.

[BennyST]

Notice how Ricky Hatton doesnt get the same degree of stick calzaghe does anymore, thats because he actually fights greats in their prime and is getting his dues.

You know what, before he got knocked out by Mayweather, Kessler had fought better competition overall. Hatton had Tszyu which put him high up, but apart from that and up until the Mayweather fight, which he lost anyway, Kessler has quite easily fought better competition.

I don't know who his best fight is? Maybe Mundine, or probably Beyer, especially with the way he did it. Anyway, I don't particularly care what anyone thinks of either guy. I'm not a fan of either one really. I will watch their fights and keep up with what they've done, like with any boxer, but I've never followed either guy really so there is no bias here either way. I don't care how good or bad Calzonie looks for beating him.

Nonetheless, to disrepute Kessler as nobody is just wrong. He is a good fighter with good names. I think as anyone should know, the win over him by Calzaghe is very good, but I think some people on here are thinking that others think it is an amazing win, which it is not. It's a very good win. That's it.

In my opinion it is nearly as good as Casamayor's over Corrales. Kessler was an undefeated, unified champion with about ten defenses under his belt. His most recent before the loss to Calzonie against the three time world champion Beyer who had racked up a rather stunning twelve defenses of his title and beaten such fine champions as Eric Lucas, Christian Sanavia, Richie Woodhall, Omar Sheika, Danny Green x 2, the undefeated Colajanni etc etc. Good fighters, good record.

Anyway, we won't know if it's his best win for quite a while. Kessler does indeed have some serious stuff to prove. He is a good fighter that really could go a lot further than it seems he is heading at the moment, which is sad. He needs to forget about Calzonie and just start fighting the guys he needs to fight again.

Hopkins is still easily Calzonie's best win. That's irrefutable. Hopkins is still a brilliant fighter and no matter what anyone thinks he was still in absolutely top condition and very close to his prime fighting. Close to, not in. Anyway, we should just wait to see what the next couple of years brings for Kessler and then we will have a much better understanding of it. Right now, it's a very good win over a very good opponent and that's that.

[BennyST]

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For Kessler, it'd be better if Taylor beats Froch. Winning the WBC back from Taylor in the US could be a good launchpad for him out there.

I think that would be a really exciting fight too. Froch has a punching bag for a head but is pretty good as well. Kind of like Gatti, without the easy cutting. Would be a fantastic fight for them to set up.

I still don't see why they just don't get Kessler in with one of the other champs. He should be able to beat Froch without too much trouble, get another belt, I think he could also beat Bute, another title, then he could **** off up to LHW and fight Dawson. I think Dawson would probably beat him though but it would be a great fight and he certainly has a big chance. Too much stalling. He should try and jump in with GBP.

[BattlingNelson]

That's because it's not true.

Look here laddy. What part is it that you do not understand?

The evidence is overwhelming. Funny thing is that I accidently talked with a friend of mine saturday, whom I hadnt seen in a couple years, who's something on the danish am-scene. First thing he said to me was: Did you know Kessler entered the Calzaghe fight with a broken hand? I didn't bring it up. He did!

He met Kessler sometime after the Joe fight. Kessler was with a former pro who happens to be a friend of my friend. They had a coffee together at a café. Kessler was wearing a bandage and he told the story to my friend.

So really just accept the facts. You can interpret the impact of it any way you want (as I do) but facts are facts.

[SkilledB]

I told you in the other thread, Kessler is a legend, even guys like Haggler and Hearns would duck him, he would have given a prime sugar ray leonard nightmares.

The only guy who could muster up the courage to fight this animal was Joe calzaghe.

u gotta be joking?

[TRAVI$]

Agree with Bringer
I don't think anyone can give a definite answer on Kessler, until he's fought better opposition.

[IMDAZED]

Although he didn't have big names like Hopkins or someone, Kessler actually has a pretty good record and there are some pretty damn good champions that he fought and beat very convincingly.

Instead of pretending that he hasn't fought a single good fighter worth mention, why not go find his record and see how many champions he has beaten. He was a very good fighter with a good record, and it was a very good win.

I really think anybody who says Andrade is the best guy he's fought is daft. Andrade is pretty good but has never won a title. Kessler has fought a number of very solid champions who have held a title with good success.

Just the fact that he is a two time world champion who unified the major belts is impressive enough. Someone who can do that is a really good fighter, especially someone who has done by not winning a single lucky fight but had numerous defenses of his title and worked up the hard way.

Anyway, for those that have a little too much bias for whatever reason to check his record I'll put up a brief list here:

Julio Cesar Green: Solid fighter who beat Joppy for the title.
Dingaan Thobela: Another solid fighter who knocked out Glenn Catley (a very good fighter in his own right) for the title.
Manny Siaca: Won the title in Australia off Mundine which is a good accomplishment.
Anthony Mundine: A very skilled fighter who would be hard for anyone to beat, whether you think he's a **** or not. 2 time world champ with many defenses of his title.
Eric Lucas: Very good champ who also fought for the LHW title. Has fought everyone in his time and only lost to the very best.
Markus Beyer: A very underrated win and a very underrated fighter. A three time world champion with 11 title defenses all up and some very good wins over very good opponents and champions.

He has also fought some very good contenders, some of which will no doubt become a title holder one day, such as Andrade, Haussler (who has actually beaten some fine fighters like Christian Sanavia, Catley, Porras etc), Henry Porras, Craig Cummings, Dimitri Sartisan etc etc.

He's a good fighter who has already done a fair bit. I don't disagree that he really needs to do more, but saying he has not done anything and beaten no one is ridiculous and ignorant. Just because he hasn't gone up and fought Dawson doesn't make him a Euro-hanging hack.

Benny, I respectfully disagree. Kessler's resume is hampered by wins over top super middles who, quite frankly, weren't that good or weren't anywhere near what they once were.

Julio Cesar Green? I mean, come on. He doesn't have a solid win over William Joppy - I think you never saw that fight.Joppy broke his right hand early on and still won on nearly every scorecard but the judges. A bad, bad robbery--horrible. In the rematch, Joppy annihilated him. Then destroyed him in the third fight for good measure. And Green is a guy we're using to hype Kess up? I'll pass.

[Technical_Skill]

Benny, I respectfully disagree. Kessler's resume is hampered by wins over top super middles who, quite frankly, weren't that good or weren't anywhere near what they once were.

Julio Cesar Green? I mean, come on. He doesn't have a solid win over William Joppy - I think you never saw that fight.Joppy broke his right hand early on and still won on nearly every scorecard but the judges. A bad, bad robbery--horrible. In the rematch, Joppy annihilated him. Then destroyed him in the third fight for good measure. And Green is a guy we're using to hype Kess up? I'll pass.

If you see how he won the titles against beyer, beyer was garbage, most likely shot to ****.

Its obvious we need to see kessler against some better comp, even a miranda, who im pretty sure kessler would KO, then maybe a green.