How good of a win was Calzaghe's win over Kessler

[BarrySlisk]

That's because it's not true.

YOU don't really know that. I don't really know.

We can choose to believe or not. I believe Kessler's own words. He did say that his hand was fine just before and after the fight - and he still claims that did NOT have hand pains during the fight. So in fact he was not lying. The hand was fine at the time of the fight. But it did cause him to not be prepared properly because he had problems during training.

Of course he could just be a liar and the photos from the hospital shown in danish papers could be a big fraud and the scar photoshopped in or something.

To me he does not seem the lying kind but you may have a different opinion and that's fine but don't sound like you KNOW cause you don't.

[MACAQUEINBLACK]

I think it's an excellent win (not just the quality of opponent, but the turnaround Calzaghe produced to take the fight away from Kessler)...unfortunately, Kessler's camp look like they want to exact a horrible revenge on Joe by not letting Kessler prove how excellent. Short of knocking Froch on the head and unifying again, I don't see what else Kessler should stick around at 168 for. He's already accomplished enough there. Move up, maybe go to the States, start making a name there, aim for Dawson.

[Dave Rado]

YOU don't really know that. I don't really know.

We can choose to believe or not. I believe Kessler's own words. He did say that his hand was fine just before and after the fight - and he still claims that did NOT have hand pains during the fight. So in fact he was not lying. The hand was fine at the time of the fight. But it did cause him to not be prepared properly because he had problems during training.

Of course he could just be a liar and the photos from the hospital shown in danish papers could be a big fraud and the scar photoshopped in or something.

To me he does not seem the lying kind but you may have a different opinion and that's fine but don't sound like you KNOW cause you don't.

You're misunderstanding my post, I'm not criticising Kessler, I'm pointing out that what Bat said in his original post is untrue.

Kessler has never at any time claimed that he fought with a broken hand, and has always said that his hand caused him no problems during the fight - and that he was able to land his full blooded right hands flush without any pain at all. He has also never at any time claimed that he did no sparring. He has said that he did less sparring than he'd have liked, due to a hand injury, but he did not say that he did no sparring.

He said that doing less sparring than he'd have liked affected his timing, but his timing was very good indeed in that fight, so I don't see how it could have changed the result if it had been slightly better. It couldn't have been much better, because it was superb as it was.

[Technical_Skill]

Back on topic, it was a good win, in time we hopefully we shall see how good Kessler is, doesnt really need a whole thread.

[S A M U R A I]

So what was Kessler's biggest win???

Who cares? The fact is he fought some solid competition. I don't see how this is even arguable. The problem seems to be that his resume is currently lacking in household names. Just because some people only watch Floyd Mayweather and Bernard Hopkins fights and haven't heard of some of the people he fought doesn't mean they are ****ty, meaningless wins.

Sometimes the resume doesn't reflect the potential and true class of a fighter. Personally, I see an excellent fighter in Kessler, but unfortunately, due to current circumstances which mainly come down to lack of competent management, he has not had a chance to show how good he actually is yet.

The resume doesn't always tell the entire story. A number of great fighters have a less-than-stellar resume. I will include Roy Jones here.

Mikkel Kessler is relatively young and yet to fulfill his potential. His situation is unfortunate in that he cannot get the big fights he wants. It is not that he doesn't want them -- he has tried -- but hasn't been successful in securing a top American name yet. He is also European. This means that, many fans of the sport (mainly Americans) are automatically biased against him, and getting to fight the biggest fights isn't easy because of the high risk/low reward ratio. Also, anyone who hates Calzaghe doesn't want to give credit to Kessler. Anyone who denies this is a liar.

So while you may ask "what's his best win?", I would say we're yet to see it. This doesn't change my opinion of him, I like to think I am able to spot a talented fighter when I see one. Personally, I don't put everything down to resume. It isn't as simple as that.



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[BarrySlisk]

Kessler has never at any time claimed that he fought with a broken hand, and has always said that his hand caused him no problems during the fight - and that he was able to land his full blooded right hands flush without any pain at all. He has also never at any time claimed that he did no sparring. He has said that he did less sparring than he'd have liked, due to a hand injury, but he did not say that he did no sparring.

Ok sorry I misunderstood you (or did not read carefully enough).

[Technical_Skill]

Who cares? The fact is he fought some solid competition. I don't see how this is even arguable. The problem seems to be that his resume is currently lacking in household names. Just because some people only watch Floyd Mayweather and Bernard Hopkins fights and haven't heard of some of the people he fought doesn't mean they are ****ty, meaningless wins.

Sometimes the resume doesn't reflect the potential and true class of a fighter. Personally, I see an excellent fighter in Kessler, but unfortunately, due to current circumstances which mainly come down to lack of competent management, he has not had a chance to show how good he actually is yet.

The resume doesn't always tell the entire story. A number of great fighters have a less-than-stellar resume. I will include Roy Jones here.

Mikkel Kessler is relatively young. His situation is unfortunate in that he cannot get the big fights he wants. It is not that he doesn't want them -- he has tried -- but hasn't been successful in securing a top American name yet. He is also European. This means that many fans of the sport (mainly Americans) are automatically biased against him, and getting to fight the biggest fights isn't easy because of the high risk/low reward ratio.

So while you may ask "what's his best win?", I would say we're yet to see it. This doesn't change my opinion of him, I like to think I am able to spot a talented fighter when I see one. So personally, I don't put everything down to resume. It isn't as simple as that.

Translation: We will build up Kessler as much as possible so it makes calzaghe's resume look better.

Funny how before the Kessler fight, some Calzaghe fans were saying Kessler hasnt fought anyone and that calzaghe wouldnt duck him, then it was Kessler hasnt fought anyone and calzaghe would beat him.

How things can change

[Scary]

I don't know man. I really see potential... And I'm really glad that Kessler wants to get away from Palle promotion, but seriously, I'm dane too - We can agree that Kessler needs a Taylor/Dawson.

[S A M U R A I]

Translation: We will build up Kessler as much as possible so it makes calzaghe's resume look better.

Funny how before the Kessler fight, some Calzaghe fans were saying Kessler hasnt fought anyone and that calzaghe wouldnt duck him, then it was Kessler hasnt fought anyone and calzaghe would beat him.

How things can change

Do you think I'm really such a shallow, narrow-minded person who believes that building up Kessler to be something he's not makes me feel better about Joe Calzaghe? I happen to like both of these guys, they are excellent fighters. If Kessler ******, I'd tell you so! I am not a brainless twat, so please, don't lump me in with any idiots.

Believe it or not, I rated Kessler long before he went to Wales. And as for Calzaghe fans saying "Kessler hasn't fought anyone", you can exclude me from this because I wasn't even on these forums. You will never see me saying a fighter "hasn't fought anyone", I think it's completely ****ing dumb, to tell you the truth.



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[Technical_Skill]

Do you think I'm really such a shallow, narrow-minded person who believes that building up Kessler to be something he's not makes me feel better about Joe Calzaghe? I happen to like both of these guys, they are excellent fighters. If Kessler ******, I'd tell you so! I am not a brainless twat, so please, don't lump me in with any idiots.

Believe it or not, I rated Kessler long before he went to Wales. And as for Calzaghe fans saying "Kessler hasn't fought anyone", you can exclude me from this because I wasn't even on these forums. You will never see me saying a fighter "hasn't fought anyone", I think it's completely ****ing dumb, to tell you the truth.

Kessler doesnt suck, I agree.

But some of your Calzaghe people need to lighten the f.uck up, just because your from the UK (as am I) doesnt mean you have to engage in this American conspiracy theory crap about them being out on a mission to discredit British fighters. Notice how Ricky Hatton doesnt get the same degree of stick calzaghe does anymore, thats because he actually fights greats in their prime and is getting his dues.