Cintron, Collins Sr. Speak on The Margarito Controversy

[aztecadq]

I think he let his emotions get the best of him.

Word up. This old man is biased because he saw how cheating affected his son's life. However, I don't blame him for lashing out and speaking with his emotions. I'd probably do the same if I was his age and went what he went through.

[CottoTopWWfact]

True, Cotto is usually cut in Most of his fights, especially in his mouth and he is prone to nose bleeds. I honestly do not think Margarito was usng plaster of paris, but rather hardned gauze since I dont think Cotto would have been able to walk out of the ring if he would have taken all of Margaritos shots if he was in fact "loaded". Anyways the NVSAC is very vigilant when it comes to checkig wraps before a fight, so I do not think he was using plaster.

? Margarito is not a BIG puncher. So wraps and all, the damage he caused to Cotto would be consistent w/ half assed puncher using wraps.

Look, if this bum had Cotto fighting on the backfoot from round 2... there is something suspect going on. Margarito was NEVER a HUGE puncher. Remember, Cotto fought Mosley and took his shots for 12. Uh uh... Margarito has been exposed as the REAL fraud. He went out all soft too against Shane.

[Dave Rado]

Cotto looked like he had no bruises at all only a few days after the fight.

It's just not a comparable situation because Collins Jr suffered permanent damage that ended his boxing career.

Exactly ...

[CottoTopWWfact]

Look in his eyes and see how much pain he's in. I know Margarito can punch but Cotto is durable regardless & he was in pain pretty bad to quit. I never thought Cotto to be a quitter watching him fight.

Yep. Cotto looks traumatized. If Margarito cheated for old shane, he definitely cheated for the PR vs Mexico fight. Mexicans are so obsessed with trying to kill Ricans in the ring. I KNOW he cheated against Cotto.

He got thoroughly abused by Shane. Avg fighter with no real pop in his punch and he was able to make some $$$ by fighting dirty.

[Dave Rado]

What are you biatches going to say when they find that Margacheata was using something in her wraps?

They are only investigating the Mosley fight. Regarding previous fights it will still be speculation, not proof.

[Dave Rado]

Collin Sr. doesn't have to take anything back, his son lost his life all because of a some dirty cheater just like Marg. He knows a cheater when he sees one.

So instead of having detectives to solve burglaries, we should just ask a victim of a different burglary to tell us who did it, because he would know a burglar when he sees one?

[GRUSTLER]

This whole story line is fascinating but come on, we don't yet have any "facts". Did Margarito try to cheat? Did he? I don't yet know and neither do ANY of you. IF Margarito intentionally put plaster of paris or a similar object in his wraps...then you can all jump up and down and scream, yell, and complain. I'll be right there with you. BUT...let's not jump to any conclusions. Until something is proven, I'm going to give Margarito the benefit of the doubt...that should be our way here in the US. When he fought Cintron, someone from Cintron's camp (picked by Steward) was in the locker room watching the hands being wrapped. If you've never been in a locker room, there is person from the commission AND a person from the other camp in the room...watching the wraps. This is how it is. I find it amazing to "think" that Margarito or his camp thought they would be able to get away with something like this. This is one of the reasons, I just don't think it happened like everyone has jumped to the conclusion it has. If it did...then the person from Cotto and Cintron's camp who was in the locker room watching the wraps should be banned from boxing. What were they doing/watching during the hand wrap - taking a nap? The appropriate person from the commission should also be fired. That is the job of that person...to make sure the wraps are being done properly and legally!
So...I hope Margarito did not intentionally do anything illegal. I'm not a Margarito fan, but I do respect the way he fights. Does he eat plaster of paris? Maybe that would explain the way he takes the very best punched his opponents have to offer. Was it plaster of paris in his wraps that enabled him to walk through (with a smile) the best bombs of these fighters? Let's give Margarito the respect he has earned until we get all the facts. FACTS are what is needed right now.

****m Richardson has said when he felt Margarito's hand after it was wrapped he felt something was wrong because it felt like cement & asked them to re wrap it again and that's when the object fell out of his glove. Meaning nobody caught it but ****m because he further went on to say that a lot of times when trainers are in the locker rooms watching the hands get wrapped that dudes are laughing & joking or looking for another job. The fact that he caught it & nobody else did shows that people that supposed to do their jobs are not doing it, so who's to say that the same su****ious hard object wasn't wrapped in any other fights? Nobody really knows but I'm sure if Margarito would have gotten away with it, that Shane would have felt his punches a lot more. Dude is a Cheat & I don't care what any Margarito fan thinks. Richardson & Schaefer were baffled & concerned when they saw it because "THE NEVER SAW IT BEFORE" get it?

[Brassangel]

Man, Kermit Cintron really showed some class in his comment.

Agreed. It may even give him a bit of inspiration to prove his mettle in the future.

I mean if Collins Sr. said that Cotto looked similar to how his son looked then you have to take heed to wisdom & experience. Dude is 71 years old & witnessed it first hand. That guy Lewis said he soaked his hands in the plaster, Margarito just had blocks in his wraps so the severity might be lesser, plus Lewis Trainer took some padding out of the gloves on top of having the wraps soaked in Plaster of Paris. I'm not a Cotto fan but he was pretty busted up & Cotto is a durable fighter & Margarito is not that skilled & the few times he caught Cotto he hurt him pretty bad.

I've seen Cotto hurt, wobbled, shaky, dazed but he always came back to fight & I give him credit for that. Cotto took some pretty heavy power shots from Shane Mosley & stood his ground in there match & wasn't busted up like that even with Judah he got busted up but came back. With Margarito he didn't want No more? It ain't my job to pass judgment but I think he got caught red handed cheating & did it before. He was nothing special in the ring so had to make up for something. All of this is just my honest opinion but I feel Antonio Margarito is guilty. If ****m Richardson felt his wraps & was concerned & then the block fell out & had dried blood on it? Come on! He should get disciplined because he could have permanently hurt Cotto & attempted to hurt Shane Mosley severely.

Best comment of this thread!

Cotto took some very heavy shots to the face against Ricardo Torres, and didnt even have a mark on his face. Yet in the Margarito fight, he was busted up with every single punch he got hit with. Now i know Marg is a heavy handed pressure fighter, but his punches are long looping punches that dont have much leverage on them. I dont think they should've done the type of damage that they did to Cotto. I could understand some swelling, etc.. But Cotto's face was busted up as if he was getting hit with something much more than padded gloves. Cotto wasnt outboxed in that match. He was hurt. Severely hurt!

That's the key: he was hurt, not losing. He boxed Marg's face off, and his camp probably expected that, so they made sure that their own punches would bust up their surperior opponent. I am convinced: he had help against Cotto. This gives Miguel almost complete vindication. He wins a landslide decision in the rematch (if they get one).

[Pullcounter]

****m Richardson has said when he felt Margarito's hand after it was wrapped he felt something was wrong because it felt like cement & asked them to re wrap it again and that's when the object fell out of his glove. Meaning nobody caught it but ****m because he further went on to say that a lot of times when trainers are in the locker rooms watching the hands get wrapped that dudes are laughing & joking or looking for another job. The fact that he caught it & nobody else did shows that people that supposed to do their jobs are not doing it, so who's to say that the same su****ious hard object wasn't wrapped in any other fights? Nobody really knows but I'm sure if Margarito would have gotten away with it, that Shane would have felt his punches a lot more. Dude is a Cheat & I don't care what any Margarito fan thinks. Richardson & Schaefer were baffled & concerned when they saw it because "THE NEVER SAW IT BEFORE" get it?

you cant prove margarito cheated against cotto, thats just opinion and speculation.

[FLY TY]

The evidence is pretty compelling when you think about it. A foreign obect was removed from the wraps, bagged up as evidence and sealed in a box so that it could not be tampered with. For there to be anything foreign, that's being caught red handed. And for Tony to shrug it off like he didn't know, is feigning ignorance. The guy has been a pro for over 15 years, and he's trying to tell us he doesn't know the difference between legal wrappings and having an object placed on your knuckles?

In the end, he would probably save more face by coming clean and issuing an apology for his actions. Denying it and being found guilty will leave him looking like a scumbag. If he tried to show some sort of good faith, his legacy will be partially redeemed, if not his career than as a person.

whether he comes clean, or is found guilty.....he's tainted. the only thing that helps him, is for the commission to say it was gauze or some ****.....but still, this **** is bad.

Cotto had blood all over his face, but it was from his nose and mouth. I don't think he was busted up that bad. Collins is obviously strongly opinionated on this cuz of the circumstances.

yea. most of that blood was coming from cotto's nose....

Cotto took some very heavy shots to the face against Ricardo Torres, and didnt even have a mark on his face. Yet in the Margarito fight, he was busted up with every single punch he got hit with. Now i know Marg is a heavy handed pressure fighter, but his punches are long looping punches that dont have much leverage on them. I dont think they should've done the type of damage that they did to Cotto. I could understand some swelling, etc.. But Cotto's face was busted up as if he was getting hit with something much more than padded gloves. Cotto wasnt outboxed in that match. He was hurt. Severely hurt!

marg was throwing looping shots against shane, cuz shane was able to keep his distance....

the cotto fight was very different, my man.....marg is more dangerous at close range, and he had cotto on the ropes for a lot of that fight.

where shane tied up when they were too close, cotto chose to take shots. he got hit wit some **** that night......they kept showing replays of the punches after each round, cotto and margarito both got hit wit some flush ****, don't be fooled.

now the question is whether marg cheated in that fight? who knows?

but if he is found guilty here, i hope he stands up, and admits all the other fights he did the same in......that'd be the right thing to do.