Cintron, Collins Sr. Speak on The Margarito Controversy

[Doc Holliday]

This is becoming a circus. The CSAC is taking too long to resolve the matter and now all speculation is running wild. Everyone should just relax and wait for Feb. 10.

[Doc Holliday]

He's done for. Even if he comes out of this, he will forever have that * for the rest of his life and his biggest win will forever be questioned. It will be even worst if they ever fight again and cottos comes out good and even ko's margo

Would you say Trinidad has that same * after the Hopkins fight?

[EDD1]

this discussion is being hampered by a lot of cotto lovers and margarito haters, where are the boxing fans?

[Dave Rado]

Could you actually read the previous post before chiming in and looking like an idiot. I'm not saying he should be the one doing the investigating , but he has every right to give his opinion. And his opinion is much more valid than anyones here because he went throught this whole procces with his son and knows what he's talking about.

His opinion about his son is more valid than anyone else's. His opinion on whether Cotto has lost his eyesight or Cotto has had his face permenantly disfigured or Cotto has committed suicide is not.

Also, I was responding specifically to the claim that someone who is the victim of one cheat would know another cheat when he sees one, and in that context the analogy I gave of a victim of one burglar knowing another burglar when he sees one is perfectly valid.

[Dave Rado]

if found innocent, margarito has all the right to sue naz for defamation of character

He has the right to, but he would lose the court case. The commission also considered there was something wrong with the wrap, that's why they forced Margarito to rewrap, and that's why they sent the wrap away for analysis. Even if Margarito is cleared, Richardson couldn't successfully be sued for giving his honest opinion when doing that is part of his job.

[Dave Rado]

Would you say Trinidad has that same * after the Hopkins fight?

I would, based on the following, but I seem to be in a minority.

The Hopkins camp, including trainer Bouie Fisher, noticed that Trinidad's hands were wrapped in an illegal fashion, and threatened to cancel the fight unless they were wrapped correctly. The Chief Inspector of the NYSAC forced Trinidad's camp to re-wrap his hands in a legal fashion.

Boxing trainers and opponents of Trinidad later voiced their opinions that the illegal hand wrapping of Trinidad's hands gave the boxer the equivalent of brass knuckles, as illegal wrappings, especially when dipped into water and allowed to dry, became rock hard. These boxers and Hopkins' trainer also stated that this was the real reason Tito's famous left hook was so effective

[Doc Holliday]

I would, based on the following, but I seem to be in a minority.

The Hopkins camp, including trainer Bouie Fisher, noticed that Trinidad's hands were wrapped in an illegal fashion, and threatened to cancel the fight unless they were wrapped correctly. The Chief Inspector of the NYSAC forced Trinidad's camp to re-wrap his hands in a legal fashion.

Boxing trainers and opponents of Trinidad later voiced their opinions that the illegal hand wrapping of Trinidad's hands gave the boxer the equivalent of brass knuckles, as illegal wrappings, especially when dipped into water and allowed to dry, became rock hard. These boxers and Hopkins' trainer also stated that this was the real reason Tito's famous left hook was so effective

Aside from that, Richardson is now saying that a plastic substance also fell out of Trinidad's gloves before the Hopkins fight. (See the quote and link in my sig.) So he's making the exact same accusation against Trinidad and Margarito. I suppose no one called for banning Trinidad because he retired right after the loss to Hopkins.

[Pullcounter]

Aside from that, Richardson is now saying that a plastic substance also fell out of Trinidad's gloves before the Hopkins fight. (See the quote and link in my sig.) So he's making the exact same accusation against Trinidad and Margarito. I suppose no one called for banning Trinidad because he retired right after the loss to Hopkins.

bottom line is that tito wrapped his hands illegally and so did margarito and both were forced to rewrap their hands in the proper fashion

[americanme]

bottom line is that tito wrapped his hands illegally and so did margarito and both were forced to rewrap their hands in the proper fashion

dude,, please.. those are just words..like having your trunks too high is 'illegal'..

NY had thier OWN RULES on wrapping..wasnt that big a deal. Richardson camps like to get n fighters heads..

[Dave Rado]

Aside from that, Richardson is now saying that a plastic substance also fell out of Trinidad's gloves before the Hopkins fight. (See the quote and link in my sig.) So he's making the exact same accusation against Trinidad and Margarito. I suppose no one called for banning Trinidad because he retired right after the loss to Hopkins.

At the time of the Hopkins-Trinidad fight, I thought Bouie Fisher was Hopkins' trainer, though, not Richardson? And AFAIK, Fisher never said anything about plastic (or plaster) falling out.