Cintron, Collins Sr. Speak on The Margarito Controversy

[aztecadq]

ok cheater

ok whiner. Keep crying CottoToto!!

[streetthrowback]

ok whiner. Keep crying CottoToto!!

listin keep eating your tacos and stuffing your self with margo's barito up your ass

[aztecadq]

listin keep eating your tacos and stuffing your self with margo's barito up your ass

And keep eating your alcapurrias and hanging on Cotto's goyabeans. CottoToto!!!!!

[PittyPat]

Was there ever a comment from Billy Collins, Jr. after the fight and before his death? I would've liked to know what he had to say about those 2 scumbags.

[BMWM3P]

And all you CottoTotos will keep crying, because that's what you do best.

Lately all I've seen are a bunch of ******ed mexicans whining, crying like little bitches and coming up with some real ridiculous conspiracy theories. What's up next a second puncher and a grassy noll.

[Calibre .223]

First off, I would like to say what's up to all of the boxingscene members and posters. I have been a longtime reader and I am now just joining the mix.
Having said that, I am not a "newbie" in this great sport and I will speak my mind as I normally do in regards to it.

I would like to start off by saying that I hope some of you never hope to pursue a career in law, because you'll certainly be standing in the unemployment line and maybe even starve to death! Some of your arguments have more holes in them than a chain-link fence. First off, yes, AM and his trainer have been temporarily suspended. That is a fact. Does that mean they are guilty? When a police officer kills somebody in the line of duty, it is standard operating procedure to put him/her on administrative leave, which is a fancy word for "suspension", pending an investigation. Does that in and of itself make him/her automatcially guilty of manslaughter or of using excessive force? Does it imply guilt? Does it increase the likelyhood that they are guilty? HELL NO! There is an investigation and all of the facts are gathered. After a police oversight commission investigates the facts, then and ONLY then is it determined if the use of lethal force was justifiable. The police officer is also given a chance to state his/her side of the story, by the way. His/her fate is not left in the hand of a bunch of anonymous speculators and self-proclaimed keepers of justice ganged together in an INTERNET JURY!

As for the issue of Collins Sr.'s opinion, I would like to ask him what he thought of Davey Moore's face after his brutal beatdown on that same night! I recommend that all of you "Cotto looked as bad or worse" people pick up a copy of the Sports Illustrated ****zine that covered that fight back in 1983 and THEN AND ONLY THEN make your ridiculous assertions! Davey Moore was battered and was much worse for wear than Miguel Cotto and at least as bad as Billy Collins Jr. He didn't suffer blurred vision afterwards but just watch this fight and if you're not screaming the inept referee to stop this massacre, then you are a sadistic and heartless SOB yourself. Until you watch this fight, DON'T make any comparisons. His career was never the same and he never recovered from that beating. Yeah yeah yeah, I am not comparing Duran to Margarito so save them weak-a$$ tangents before they start.

I mean if Collins Sr. said that Cotto looked similar to how his son looked then you have to take heed to wisdom & experience. Dude is 71 years old & witnessed it first hand.

Fair enough, like I said earlier, can we apply this same argument and logic [or lack thereof] to Davey Moore as well? If so, then Duran must have certainly been loading his gloves right? Oh yeah, he only did it to erase the shame of "No Mas" so he had to do whatever he could to make sure this was his night of redemption. Plus it was his birthday so I am sure the NYSAC probably made it legal for him but just for that one night.

That guy Lewis said he soaked his hands in the plaster, Margarito just had blocks in his wraps so the severity might be lesser,

I didn't realize you worked for the CSAC nor the LAPD crime lab, can you post some the pictures of these "blocks" of which you speak? Can you give us a breakdown of how these special blocks transmit force on one end of the punch but somehow defy Newton's Third Law of Motion on the other and not break Margarito's hands please? I would really be interested in this dissertation.

I'm not a Cotto fan but he was pretty busted up & Cotto is a durable fighter & Margarito is not that skilled & the few times he caught Cotto he hurt him pretty bad.

"Margarito is not that skilled"? What does that mean? Quantify that statment please because it is rather confusing. A 2x World Champion with multiple title defenses and victories over multiple Top 10 contenders proves at least some remote semblance of skill, don't you think? "The few times he caught Cotto"? Go back and rewatch the fight and then review the Compu-Box numbers. There you'll learn that he caught Cotto more than a "few times".

I've seen Cotto hurt, wobbled, shaky, dazed but he always came back to fight & I give him credit for that. Cotto took some pretty heavy power shots from Shane Mosley & stood his ground in there match & wasn't busted up like that even with Judah he got busted up but came back. With Margarito he didn't want No more?

Yes, I agree! He came back and beat the two All-Time greats Demarcus Corley and Ricardo Torres! One prides himself on wearing women's lingerie and the other has better boxing skill than Ricardo Lopez, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Pernell Whitaker combined. And neither one of them has been knocked out afterwards either. And both of them punch harder at that weight than AM at 147 right? What weight were these fights at again? Oh, that's right, he also did it with Zab "Baby George Chuvalo" Judah at 147! My bad. The Shane Mosley argument is legit, no argument there, homie.

It ain't my job to pass judgment but I think he got caught red handed cheating & did it before. He was nothing special in the ring so had to make up for something. All of this is just my honest opinion but I feel Antonio Margarito is guilty.

If it "ain't your job", then why are you doing it???! And how does that prove that "he did it before" if we don't even know if he did it this time?!?!?! I agree, Margarito is not "special" in the ring, and the "something" that he uses to make up for "it" is size, world-class conditioning, a high work rate, a granite chin, and until proven otherwise, BALLS!!!

If ****m Richardson felt his wraps & was concerned & then the block fell out & had dried blood on it?

WTF does the "block" having "blood" on it have to do with this? Would that also make the punches more damaging or would that same blood somehow get transmitted to Mosley's face and give the judges the impression that Margarito was doing damage?

Come on! He should get disciplined because he could have permanently hurt Cotto & attempted to hurt Shane Mosley severely.

If you want to make this part of your argument to be in accordance with logic and credibility, change it to "IF AND ONLY IF Margarito is found guilty of the thus far unproven allegations, THEN AND ONLY THEN he should get disciplined because he could have permanently hurt Shane Mosley severely. However, this does not prove that he was guilty of wrongdoing in any previous fights, regardless of the implications of such."

That will leave me no other choice but to TOTALLY commit and agree with you!!!

[ANDROID_DOES]

As soon as i read collins say "you cant do that kind of damage with a glove" I stopped reading. This moron needs to watch some more boxing.

[BMWM3P]

[QUOTE=Calibre .223;4678007]First off, I would like to say what's up to all of the boxingscene members and posters. I have been a longtime reader and I am now just joining the mix.
Having said that, I am not a "newbie" in this great sport and I will speak my mind as I normally do in regards to it.

I would like to start off by saying that I hope some of you never hope to pursue a career in law, because you'll certainly be standing in the unemployment line and maybe even starve to death! Some of your arguments have more holes in them than a chain-link fence. First off, yes, AM and his trainer have been temporarily suspended. That is a fact. Does that mean they are guilty? When a police officer kills somebody in the line of duty, it is standard operating procedure to put him/her on administrative leave, which is a fancy word for "suspension", pending an investigation. Does that in and of itself make him/her automatcially guilty of manslaughter or of using excessive force? Does it imply guilt? Does it increase the likelyhood that they are guilty? HELL NO! There is an investigation and all of the facts are gathered. After a police oversight commission investigates the facts, then and ONLY then is it determined if the use of lethal force was justifiable. The police officer is also given a chance to state his/her side of the story, by the way. His/her fate is not left in the hand of a bunch of anonymous speculators and self-proclaimed keepers of justice ganged together in an INTERNET JURY!

As for the issue of Collins Sr.'s opinion, I would like to ask him what he thought of Davey Moore's face after his brutal beatdown on that same night! I recommend that all of you "Cotto looked as bad or worse" people pick up a copy of the Sports Illustrated ****zine that covered that fight back in 1983 and THEN AND ONLY THEN make your ridiculous assertions! Davey Moore was battered and was much worse for wear than Miguel Cotto and at least as bad as Billy Collins Jr. He didn't suffer blurred vision afterwards but just watch this fight and if you're not screaming the inept referee to stop this massacre, then you are a sadistic and heartless SOB yourself. Until you watch this fight, DON'T make any comparisons. His career was never the same and he never recovered from that beating. Yeah yeah yeah, I am not comparing Duran to Margarito so save them weak-a$$ tangents before they start.


Fair enough, like I said earlier, can we apply this same argument and logic [or lack thereof] to Davey Moore as well? If so, then Duran must have certainly been loading his gloves right? Oh yeah, he only did it to erase the shame of "No Mas" so he had to do whatever he could to make sure this was his night of redemption. Plus it was his birthday so I am sure the NYSAC probably made it legal for him but just for that one night.



I didn't realize you worked for the CSAC nor the LAPD crime lab, can you post some the pictures of these "blocks" of which you speak? Can you give us a breakdown of how these special blocks transmit force on one end of the punch but somehow defy Newton's Third Law of Motion on the other and not break Margarito's hands please? I would really be interested in this dissertation.



"Margarito is not that skilled"? What does that mean? Quantify that statment please because it is rather confusing. A 2x World Champion with multiple title defenses and victories over multiple Top 10 contenders proves at least some remote semblance of skill, don't you think? "The few times he caught Cotto"? Go back and rewatch the fight and then review the Compu-Box numbers. There you'll learn that he caught Cotto more than a "few times".


Yes, I agree! He came back and beat the two All-Time greats Demarcus Corley and Ricardo Torres! One prides himself on wearing women's lingerie and the other has better boxing skill than Ricardo Lopez, Sugar Ray Leonard, and Pernell Whitaker combined. And neither one of them has been knocked out afterwards either. And both of them punch harder at that weight than AM at 147 right? What weight were these fights at again? Oh, that's right, he also did it with Zab "Baby George Chuvalo" Judah at 147! My bad. The Shane Mosley argument is legit, no argument there, homie.

[QUOTE=GRUSTLER;4674660]It ain't my job to pass judgment but I think he got caught red handed cheating & did it before. He was nothing special in the ring so had to make up for something. All of this is just my honest opinion but I feel Antonio Margarito is guilty.

If it "ain't your job", then why are you doing it???! And how does that prove that "he did it before" if we don't even know if he did it this time?!?!?! I agree, Margarito is not "special" in the ring, and the "something" that he uses to make up for "it" is size, world-class conditioning, a high work rate, a granite chin, and until proven otherwise, BALLS!!!


WTF does the "block" having "blood" on it have to do with this? Would that also make the punches more damaging or would that same blood somehow get transmitted to Mosley's face and give the judges the impression that Margarito was doing damage?


If you want to make this part of your argument to be in accordance with logic and credibility, change it to "IF AND ONLY IF Margarito is found guilty of the thus far unproven allegations, THEN AND ONLY THEN he should get disciplined because he could have permanently hurt Shane Mosley severely. However, this does not prove that he was guilty of wrongdoing in any previous fights, regardless of the implications of such."

That will leave me no other choice but to TOTALLY commit and agree with you!!!

Just what the boxing scene needed another Margarito nuthugger alt. Watch espn right know Mosley is on exposing this cheat and he would have no reason to lie, afterall he beat the plaster off of Margarito.

[streetthrowback]

thank you yes watch espn

[aztecadq]

Lately all I've seen are a bunch of ******ed mexicans whining, crying like little bitches and coming up with some real ridiculous conspiracy theories. What's up next a second puncher and a grassy noll.

Lately, hell from the beginning of time I've seen puerto ricans whining and talking mad ****. I don't knows who's worse a puerto rican or a cuban. You guys are definitely getting close though. Look CottoToto, I'm not making a ridiculous conspiracy theory. Read my posts, I've said time and time again. If Margarito is found guilty, there's no excuses, there's no ifs, ands or buts. He should be punished accordingly. And if that day comes, I will most likely stop being a Margarito fan because I can't stand a cheater. However, everybody (especially the CottoTotos) has been jumping the gun here. If you want to see real whining go back to the threads when Cotto first lost. Puerto Ricans whining big time in those threads!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!