Casamayor = HOF with win over JMM?????????

[Mr. Ryan]

Jack Sharkey, the nice guy, finishes last against Jack Dempsey. Dempsey goes south, Sharkey fails to protect himself at all times and gets anesthetized.

[Mr. Ryan]

HAHA very true. But like we said theres only so much an official can continue to do. And also, different officials also have different tolerance levels. I think if say Smoger was in the ring that night instead of Newman, Miranda doesn't lose the 2 late point that he lost for low blows. Smoger has always been a stickler when it comes to giving each individual fighter the utmost warnings before he tends to get involved. Now look at what Newman did also the way Nady tends to get involved in a lot of his fights. He's wlays been a huge point deduction ref. Member TRinidad and Vargas. He was taking points away without giving either fighter a real chance with a warning.

I didn't understand the Vargas deduction, he didn't really hit low but Don King kept petitioning the ref saying "You take points from my guy but the other guy is doing the same thing!" and stuff like that.

[Stickman]

Dude i argued very well, and honestly i feel you gave some pretty great points, but ou also tried to chump me and end the argument with "you're just young and will think you're always right" when really DAS DA HYPACRIT IN YOO.

No, son, I didn't try to "chump" you, and I'm not trying to make you seem like a clown now, either, I'm just trying to explain to you that, at your age, you simply will not believe you're wrong, especially when someone my age is the one trying to tell you that you're wrong. And by the same token, someone my age, isn't going to think he's wrong, especially if someone your age is trying to tell him that.

I will say, though, that when someone resorts to childish insults during a discussion, I often tend to ignore much of what they have to say after that point, and I think most other people do, too. You may notice that when I'm posting on this forum, I very, very rarely get rude or pissy with someone, even if they get that way with me first, and there are a couple of reasons for that. I've already given you the first reason...people tend to disregard anything else after you've been rude, but I also feel that, if I'm going to be a smartass with someone, the least I can do is have the courtesy to do it face-to-face, so that if they want to take a swing at me for it, they can...and of course, vice-versa. But hey, I'm an old fashioned kind of guy

[Spiegelo]

Yep, it does happen, and I agree that a ref that stops action constantly would be better off in the parking lot directing traffic...that way he stays busy, and out of the way of the fight itself. All I'm saying is that constant intentional fouls have no place in the sport, in my opinion, and that fighter has no place in the HOF...again, my opinion. And Speiglo is right, in part at least, about my age. I was taught a keener sense of sportsmanship because I was raised in a different era than you kids were, but don't go thinking that I don't believe in fighting dirty, either....just not in the ring. Oh, I'm not going to mash a guy's nuts into jelly in a simple barfight (that I probably would've started anyway, just for fun), but if I'm deep in the ****, anything goes.

I'm just saying you're a lil over critical. It's easy to talk about how wrong it is and what not, when we're casual fans. When someone is pounding away on your belt line and pushing you around the ring, or you're trying to get off to your gameplan, but **** you're 43 years old bud, the guy in front of you is half your age and he's jabbing you in the face, well let's pound on his hips a lil and take away his gas and legs. Hopkins is 43, Casamayor I believe is 73, and Barrera is old as **** too. These guys fight dirty, age has nothing to do with it they just do what it takes when they are fighting against the odds and are outgunned. It's a rough sport.

[Mr. Ryan]

I'm just saying you're a lil over critical. It's easy to talk about how wrong it is and what not, when we're casual fans. When someone is pounding away on your belt line and pushing you around the ring, or you're trying to get off to your gameplan, but **** you're 43 years old bud, the guy in front of you is half your age and he's jabbing you in the face, well let's pound on his hips a lil and take away his gas and legs. Hopkins is 43, Casamayor I believe is 73, and Barrera is old as **** too. These guys fight dirty, age has nothing to do with it they just do what it takes when they are fighting against the odds and are outgunned. It's a rough sport.

It's also a mental thing. Some people aren't rough types, they don't like being rattled. Take a guy like Juan Diaz, who had nowhere near the professional experience of Campbell. He was mentally taken out of the fight and was trying for a DQ or TD from round 6 on. Sometimes in life you don't get bailed out and you have to fight, and for 6-7 rounds Diaz was in a prize ring he didn't want to be in.

[Spiegelo]

No, son, I didn't try to "chump" you, and I'm not trying to make you seem like a clown now, either, I'm just trying to explain to you that, at your age, you simply will not believe you're wrong, especially when someone my age is the one trying to tell you that you're wrong. And by the same token, someone my age, isn't going to think he's wrong, especially if someone your age is trying to tell him that.

I will say, though, that when someone resorts to childish insults during a discussion, I often tend to ignore much of what they have to say after that point, and I think most other people do, too. You may notice that when I'm posting on this forum, I very, very rarely get rude or pissy with someone, even if they get that way with me first, and there are a couple of reasons for that. I've already given you the first reason...people tend to disregard anything else after you've been rude, but I also feel that, if I'm going to be a smartass with someone, the least I can do is have the courtesy to do it face-to-face, so that if they want to take a swing at me for it, they can...and of course, vice-versa. But hey, I'm an old fashioned kind of guy

What're you sayin, you wanna fight?
*beats you up*
Wanna rematch?
*wins*

I hear ya, I'm not some internet warrior, I just speak my mind if I get rude it's because that's funny to me. Something that comes with my age I guess, but I find myself to be hilarious and love clownin people. If I feel someone is clowning me, I'll do it right back. In person, online, over the phone, it's just who I am. Maybe it's cause I have an older brother and we fought alot growing up. I hear you that I don't want to be wrong, but I've been corrected and generally when I argue it's not to win, but to either share my knowledge and prove a point, or be corrected. I've admitted other people were right in disagreements in the past, even on this forum. I just think you're a doodoo head is all.

[Spiegelo]

It's also a mental thing. Some people aren't rough types, they don't like being rattled. Take a guy like Juan Diaz, who had nowhere near the professional experience of Campbell. He was mentally taken out of the fight and was trying for a DQ or TD from round 6 on. Sometimes in life you don't get bailed out and you have to fight, and for 6-7 rounds Diaz was in a prize ring he didn't want to be in.

By the way, I'd like to know why noone mentions that for fight of the year. Awesome example bro. Campbell did to Diaz what Hopkins did to Allen (2nd fight).

[Stickman]

HAHA very true. But like we said theres only so much an official can continue to do. And also, different officials also have different tolerance levels. I think if say Smoger was in the ring that night instead of Newman, Miranda doesn't lose the 2 late point that he lost for low blows. Smoger has always been a stickler when it comes to giving each individual fighter the utmost warnings before he tends to get involved. Now look at what Newman did also the way Nady tends to get involved in a lot of his fights. He's wlays been a huge point deduction ref. Member TRinidad and Vargas. He was taking points away without giving either fighter a real chance with a warning.

That's something else I don't agree with, is deducting points when it's an honest accident that the fighter probably couldn't have helped anyway, and I don't care if there have been 5 warnings beforehand. If, say, you're inside, head on your guy's chest, and you throw a hook right when your opponent pushes your head down, and you tickle his testicles with the left you threw, you sure as hell shouldn't even get a warning, and most assuredly not a deduction, but I've seen idiot ****ing refs do just that..everybody has.

The sport isn't perfect, never will be (because I'm not king of the world, but if I were, oh, brother would there be some big changes), but I have the right to ***** about any aspect of it I please

[DanielTurcotte3]

I didn't understand the Vargas deduction, he didn't really hit low but Don King kept petitioning the ref saying "You take points from my guy but the other guy is doing the same thing!" and stuff like that.

Absolutely. Neither did I. But again, we have different refs with different opinions. Some will take alot before they deduct a point. They will warn even 2-3 times. But then they will deduct. Watch Trinidad V David Reid. A lot of point deductions I believe either 2-3 , but the ref did a solid job and gave 2 warnings to each fighter before taking a point. Although a few of the low blows were questionable. But then you get someone like Newman and Nady, who warn once, if you lucky, and jump right into taking a point.

[Stickman]

What're you sayin, you wanna fight?
*beats you up*
Wanna rematch?
*wins*

I hear ya, I'm not some internet warrior, I just speak my mind if I get rude it's because that's funny to me. Something that comes with my age I guess, but I find myself to be hilarious and love clownin people. If I feel someone is clowning me, I'll do it right back. In person, online, over the phone, it's just who I am. Maybe it's cause I have an older brother and we fought alot growing up. I hear you that I don't want to be wrong, but I've been corrected and generally when I argue it's not to win, but to either share my knowledge and prove a point, or be corrected. I've admitted other people were right in disagreements in the past, even on this forum. I just think you're a doodoo head is all.

I may be a "doodoo" head, but given that I'm kicking your ass intellectually and verbally all over this forum...what the hell does that make you, my fine young friend?