Casamayor = HOF with win over JMM?????????

[Stickman]

Like Casamayor my attack comes from all angles. Hahahaha.

Cmon dude I got hit for about 20000 red k for a joke thread I made earlier. You'll get over my red k soon enough.

Don't sweat it, I don't give a **** about green or red, seriously, I was just having you on a little. If I cared, I'd have slammed you right back....well, no, I probably wouldn't, I'm not that way, but even so, it doesn't matter, the K, I mean.

[Spiegelo]

It's not that I'm a Pavlik fan, or that I'm not a Hopkins fan, I'm just calling it how I see it playing out. You're right about getting timed (Pavlik), but I think Pavlik can probably take a HOpkins right pretty good, and the more he throws, the less sting they'll have on them. And he's going to have to counter, and do everything else he can think of to keep Pavlik off him, or he's going to get beaten down like the old man he is.

Hopkins is pretty resourceful, and it's possible he can come up with a way to finish on his feet without being DQ'd, but if there is, I can't see it. But there's no way he wins, not even a remote chance. If Pavlik weren't in as superb shape as he is, I'd give Hopkins a 50/50 chance....he's got vast ring smarts, but that can't conquer youth and conditioning. If he were a huge puncher at that weight, I'd even give him a decent chance at a KO...after all, Pavlik is certainly hittable, but the reality is that Hopkins was never a devastating puncher.

Never a devastating puncher, but he was a great puncher that would have probably knocked pav out in his mid-late 30s. I just can't see Pav able to hurt him much less than finish him. Hopkins is far too durable. He also had like a year lay off on top of the age to slow him down on Calzaghe. I think that played a big part on his performance. Hopkins wants to beat pav and have the winner of Joe/Roy as quick as possible before he retires semirich.

[Spiegelo]

Why did you red k me? I can't stop crying.

Yeah I checked figuring you would have gotten me back already, but apparently not.

[DanielTurcotte3]

It's not that I'm a Pavlik fan, or that I'm not a Hopkins fan, I'm just calling it how I see it playing out. You're right about getting timed (Pavlik), but I think Pavlik can probably take a HOpkins right pretty good, and the more he throws, the less sting they'll have on them. And he's going to have to counter, and do everything else he can think of to keep Pavlik off him, or he's going to get beaten down like the old man he is.

Hopkins is pretty resourceful, and it's possible he can come up with a way to finish on his feet without being DQ'd, but if there is, I can't see it. But there's no way he wins, not even a remote chance. If Pavlik weren't in as superb shape as he is, I'd give Hopkins a 50/50 chance....he's got vast ring smarts, but that can't conquer youth and conditioning. If he were a huge puncher at that weight, I'd even give him a decent chance at a KO...after all, Pavlik is certainly hittable, but the reality is that Hopkins was never a devastating puncher.

If theres a winnable fight for Hopkins right now it's Pavlik. But if theres a KO loss to come for the first time in his career, it's Pavlik. IDK what too think thus far, but he is in for a tough fight, or a relatively easy one.

I could see him just dominating ala Antonio Tarver.

But I can also see the worst beating of Hopkins career come up.

[Stickman]

Never a devastating puncher, but he was a great puncher that would have probably knocked pav out in his mid-late 30s. I just can't see Pav able to hurt him much less than finish him. Hopkins is far too durable. He also had like a year lay off on top of the age to slow him down on Calzaghe. I think that played a big part on his performance. Hopkins wants to beat pav and have the winner of Joe/Roy as quick as possible before he retires semirich.

Yeah, in his mid 30's I'd have given him a good chance of winning by late TKO, or decision over Pavlik, but not now. He just ain't going to have the gas, and that's something he won't ever have again.