Casamayor = HOF with win over JMM?????????

[DuttyAlacrity]

Just like everyone said.. I believe he's already there but a victory over JMM would be the cherry on top
but someone clarify for me I don't remember him ever being the ring champ at 130....

[Stickman]

And when has Hopkins or Casamayor won strictly from cheating? Do you actually watch their fights? Yeah there were headbutts before the Corrales knockdowns, but he was lunging in winging hooks, of course Cas is gonna took his head and fire a counter over, he's crafty and he's only protecting his face while firing off a shot to create the distance or damage he needs to create. If Corrales is in mid air when it lands then its his fault for being so brave against a master boxer with power. Winky also lunged in on BHop. You can't try to impose your size and push and dog a fighter on the ropes when he's as smart and skilled as you. He will duck down and tuck his head and fire off his counter. If you don't stop charging in you will run into his head, but you will not force him on the ropes and into the end of your full extended punches. If Jermain was smarter, he wouldn't have fallen for that same trick all night and got his ass whooped the way he did.

Hey, pal, don't go putting words in my mouth. I never said either of the two won strictly from cheating, I just said that intentional dirty fighting gives unfair advantage to the one doing it, and that, my young fella, is cheating. You can explain it away any way you want, but breaking rules intentionally in attempt to gain advantage, is, always has been, and always will be, CHEATING. Period.

And to be blunt, I don't expect the rest of the boxing community, IBHOF (or anyone else on the planet) to adhere to my own personal code of ethics. Sure, it would be nice to live in a world where people didn't lie, cheat or steal, bully, or treat other people like **** just because they can, but I've long since gotten past the idea that people are "basically good", and people prove that to me, every day, everywhere I go.

Having said that, though, I still don't have to like, or even appreciate, a dirty fighter, cheater, blah, blah, scumbag of any kind. I may have to tolerate it in about 25% of the fights I see on TV, but again...I don't gotta like it. If that's your cup'O'tea, then good on ya, but it ain't mine.

[Pullcounter]

What are your thoughts on Casamayor being a poassible shoe in after a victory over JMM. Do you guys feel as though he is a shoe in with a victory or such an elite fighter in Marquez. Or does he still have some work to do.


He's a 2 division World Champion. Super Featherweight and Lightweight.

Also held the Ring ****zine Belt as best fighter in both divisions.

Victories over the likes of Diego Corrales (2), Nate Campbell, Fringe contender Daniel Santos, and would be one Juan Manuel Marquez.

His losses. JLC and Corrales, both disputed decisions. And lost a UD to Acelino Freitas when Freitas was oo 30-0.

Never been stopped, although he's been down many times.

What are your thoughts on his chances of the HOF?!?!

casamayor is probabaly already HOF bound, but not first ballot even if he defeats JMM.

[Spiegelo]

I am wrong and you are right. I apologize for ever disagreeing with anyone as awesome as you

Thank you, I agree. I am always right, and cheating is fun.

[Stickman]

Good luck with running this by the IBHOF, I'll proofread your petition buddy

Cheating to me is using steroids, doping, fixing judges, fixing referees, paying off commissions. Anything that can't be handled with your fists is cheating, anything where an advantage is already achieved before heading into the ring.

But if two guys are in the ring and their is a clash of heads or a guy strays a little south on some of their punches. If you aren't mentally tough enough to handle that in the ring, shame on you. It's like my trainer told this one kid who got pissed cuz I bloodied his nose from an accidental clash. He said you don't like it, start swimming.

My friend, you have no idea what type of person I am, whether I'm strong, mentally, or not, and I have no clue about you, so best we leave that **** out of our discussion, wouldn't you say?

And of course, there will always be unintentional headbutts in boxing, due to it's nature, but then I'm not talking about unintentional butts, am I? Same with body punches that stray a little south accidentally...it happens, and that's not what I'm talking about either. I'm talking about intentional fouls.

You could say that Mayweather using his forearm and elbow to create space on the inside, that doesn't negate all of his great achievements. How about all of Hatton or Eusebio Pedroza's low blows, Chavez's flirtations with the belt-line? Should they be stricken from the record?

And yes, Mayweather using his elbows and pushing with his forearm under his opponent's chin is also cheating. It's clearly against the rules, yet most refs don't even warn him on it. I would, and that is the difference between me, and most of the rest of the world.

And just to clarify...the beltline seems to get higher and higher all the time, and what is now a low blow in many cases, would've just been a nice shot to the body on the beltline 25 years ago. DeLahoya wears his belt (and Kevlar body armor, for Christ's sake) absurdly high, and if someone pegged him just below the belt all night long it wouldn't bother me even a little, but then there's a difference between tagging someone on or a little below the belt, and using their cup for a speedbag. Over the years, I've seen a pretty good number of intentional nutshots, and I've also seen a good number of unintentional nutshots. The latter is excusable, the former is not.

Any means necessary, this is war. If it wasn't, it'd be that weird stuff with the helmets and half-white gloves they were doing in Beijing, and that stuff made me sick.

No, this isn't war, kid, it's a sport. Trust me, I know the difference. I've been to war, and I've played sports, and this is, unquestionably, and without any doubt whatsoever, a sport, and being a sport, it has rules, and those rules are supposed to be obeyed by both fighters. If you are intentionally (remember, that's the difference, intent) breaking the rules, then you are cheating. And just because you aren't winning a fight simply because you're cheating doesn't make you any less of a ****, it just makes you a ****** ****, since you could probably win without cheating in the first place.

Patrick Ewing's career was based on his pro-hop to the basket, which was technically traveling. Was he a cheater?

If he was, technically, travelling, which is against the rules, then yep...he was a cheater. But hey, I don't follow basketball, so don't get me involved in that sport. They booted me off the basketball team in my freshman year (something about it not being a contact sport) and I haven't really paid much attention to it since.

[DanielTurcotte3]

My friend, you have no idea what type of person I am, whether I'm strong, mentally, or not, and I have no clue about you, so best we leave that **** out of our discussion, wouldn't you say?

And of course, there will always be unintentional headbutts in boxing, due to it's nature, but then I'm not talking about unintentional butts, am I? Same with body punches that stray a little south accidentally...it happens, and that's not what I'm talking about either. I'm talking about intentional fouls.



And yes, Mayweather using his elbows and pushing with his forearm under his opponent's chin is also cheating. It's clearly against the rules, yet most refs don't even warn him on it. I would, and that is the difference between me, and most of the rest of the world.

And just to clarify...the beltline seems to get higher and higher all the time, and what is now a low blow in many cases, would've just been a nice shot to the body on the beltline 25 years ago. DeLahoya wears his belt (and Kevlar body armor, for Christ's sake) absurdly high, and if someone pegged him just below the belt all night long it wouldn't bother me even a little, but then there's a difference between tagging someone on or a little below the belt, and using their cup for a speedbag. Over the years, I've seen a pretty good number of intentional nutshots, and I've also seen a good number of unintentional nutshots. The latter is excusable, the former is not.



No, this isn't war, kid, it's a sport. Trust me, I know the difference. I've been to war, and I've played sports, and this is, unquestionably, and without any doubt whatsoever, a sport, and being a sport, it has rules, and those rules are supposed to be obeyed by both fighters. If you are intentionally (remember, that's the difference, intent) breaking the rules, then you are cheating. And just because you aren't winning a fight simply because you're cheating doesn't make you any less of a ****, it just makes you a ****** ****, since you could probably win without cheating in the first place.



If he was, technically, travelling, which is against the rules, then yep...he was a cheater. But hey, I don't follow basketball, so don't get me involved in that sport. They booted me off the basketball team in my freshman year (something about it not being a contact sport) and I haven't really paid much attention to it since.

LOL, you broke it down piece by piece. That would be a

[Stickman]

Please Mr. Stickman, Sir, would you please dangle your member in my mouth again? All that coffee you've had today makes it taste like Cappuccino and I like it. Thank you so much

Go away son, you bother me.













P.S.
Just remember, you started the false quote bull****, kid, not me.

[Spiegelo]

Then BHop, Cotto, Gatti, Joppy, Casamayor, Barrera, Mayweather, Tyson, Lennox, Ward, Winky, Hatton, Calzaghe, Bad Chad.. all pieces of ****. List goes on. All fighters stray from the rules. Not because they can only win that way, not because they're pieces of ****s. It's because you're going through hell with your opponent. You're getting hit on the hip, bullied, maybe you feel a punch slide south, you push, it's a gameplan. You're not playing tennis, you're playing fight till the other man falls down or backs off. It's a dangerous sport and people have died in that ring, so you do what you must to keep things going the way you want it. It's called ring generalship, some fighters get away with it due to biased refs, some get away with it because they're better at it than others, but it's boxing and it's real fighting so you gotta get used to seeing fighters do what they have to.

[Spiegelo]

Go away son, you bother me.













P.S.
Just remember, you started the false quote bull****, kid, not me.

Yeah but when I do it, it's funny. You're just acting out these gay fantasies that you should really be keeping to yourself.

[MELLY-MEL...]

he's a hofer already.