How Do You Beat Calzaghe?

[j.razor]

No, you can't throw 5 punches and win a fight. And I do appologize for calling you an idiot before....looking back at your posts, there was really no need.

Now...what the **** does my (or your) skin color have to do with anything? Are you that hung up on what color a fighter (or fan) is? Personally, I don't give a ****, but you apparently do, so there's no point in discussing this, or anything else, any further with you. You've already shown you're racially biased and anything else you talk about will be tainted by that fact.

im not racially bias, thats y i said that i wouldnt doubt that u was white cuz all i see is bias people all over this site like all da brits always sayin ricky hatton, joe calzghe & david haye are the best & i recall B-Hop sayin "he'll never lose 2 a white boy" & as soon as he said that everyone went against him b-4 the fight even started...& i wasnt tryin 2 start nuthin but i do have 2 defend myself, sry. but back 2 Hopkins i honestly thought he won, i take 2 account that he is the legendary champ taking on all comers and to beat the champ u must beat the champ & i jus didnt see joe do that, it was a Hopkins fight 100% so how could joe win? who took the punches? joe clearly did not land punches as much as Hopkins plus had a k.d. think about...

[THE REED]

Joe's numbers were a bit lower than usual because Hopkins kept clinching him. Joe did not stop coming forward and throwing for the entire fight.

Joe was absolutely more hesitant in throwing then he normally was, it wasnt just the clinching, it was bernards ****ed back style that slowed joes pace down a little... of course the clinching did help slow the numbers. Obviously once Bernard got tired, Joe saw that and flurried a little more often, but definitely not like usual.

[abadger]

Joe was absolutely more hesitant in throwing then he normally was, it wasnt just the clinching, it was bernards ****ed back style that slowed joes pace down a little... of course the clinching did help slow the numbers. Obviously once Bernard got tired, Joe saw that and flurried a little more often, but definitely not like usual.

I dunno....could be, Hopkins is a good opponent and all.

[Stickman]

I agree that a Prime Toney would beat Joe, He had all the tools to do it.



Calzaghe is mainly open to the right hand, If someone could use their jab to, keep Calzaghe off balance and stop him from throwing flurries, and set up the right hand they could cause trouble. I think moving away is the best way, Walking him down using this strategy doesn't work (See Calzaghe-Kessler), If someone could utilise that plan but moving away and being defensive (See Hopkins-Calzaghe) they should be able to win,

That probably makes no sense

No, it makes sense. It's got to be a lead right, though. You can't try and throw a 1-2 and expect to catch him, he'll be gone before you ever start to throw the right. I think a guy with a heavy uppercut could hurt him badly, too, but the timing would have to be perfect. You'd have to throw it from outside (very risky) as he starts to move in. If you can actually get him hurt, I think he could be finished by a guy with a good instinct for it. Problem would be getting him actually hurt. I haven't seen him hurt, but I haven't seen all of his fights, either.

[THE REED]

Just because your undefeated doesnt mean you can't be beaten... and Joe is a very good fighter, but he doesnt display the type of style to me that I could see as unbeatable... and even the fighters that did display the style that make syou feel there unbeatable (tyson jones) there still beatable.... every style has a counter style...

In my opinion, if your undefeated its because you havent faced someone who can beat you yet... now that seems like an obvious statement, but it is true...

I dont know if Roy is the one to do it, but Joe IS beatable...

A Prime Roy would be the guy to beat Calzaghe... someone who can hit Joe from any distance, or if Joe were to come in flailing he would get hit... A prime roy could pretty much hit you no matter what you were doing.

[abadger]

No, it makes sense. It's got to be a lead right, though. You can't try and throw a 1-2 and expect to catch him, he'll be gone before you ever start to throw the right. I think a guy with a heavy uppercut could hurt him badly, too, but the timing would have to be perfect. You'd have to throw it from outside (very risky) as he starts to move in. If you can actually get him hurt, I think he could be finished by a guy with a good instinct for it. Problem would be getting him actually hurt. I haven't seen him hurt, but I haven't seen all of his fights, either.

The only time he was ever hurt was against Mitchell. He was up on his knee by six, but wobbling, on his feet and head clear before the count finished. Salem dropped him, shocked him into tightening up his game but didn't hurt him.

[Dynamite Kid]

Joe was absolutely more hesitant in throwing then he normally was, it wasnt just the clinching, it was bernards ****ed back style that slowed joes pace down a little... of course the clinching did help slow the numbers. Obviously once Bernard got tired, Joe saw that and flurried a little more often, but definitely not like usual.

i agree

Hopkins took away his ability to throw combinations by decking him early and making him respect the fact that if he closes the gap to quickly he will get nailed with something big and as you said its only when Hopkins tired he came on

but i will give Calz some credit he did adapt by not closing the gap to quickly and getting nailed and letting Bernard slide underneath him off the ropes etc he did start to realise he had to be more patient and close the gap slowly and i think you saw that when he started dropping his hands and looked to counter off the front foot more

watch how slowly James Toney closes distance when he comes foward he keeps his weight central and he is always in a position to counter punch off the front foot because he keeps weght is central and he does not close the gap to quickly

[The Gully Gad]

A prime Jones would seriously hurt Joe calzaghe.He would catch him coming in everytime and that alone would slow Joe's pace down.Joes looked beatable in the past Jones would ruin him.
He would struggle his bollocks off trying to tag Jones as well...

Even at this stage i reckon Jones could still muster up some old magic for 1 night only and beat Calzaghe.Its not has far gone has some believe...

[Ryn0]

Backpedal and counter punch never let Joe get in on the inside. Don't exchange stay on the outside throw lots of straight rights.

[THE REED]

Backpedal and counter punch never let Joe get in on the inside. Don't exchange stay on the outside throw lots of straight rights.

sounds like roy to me