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Originally posted by abadger View PostYou and a lot of people say a counterpuncher, but I have to say I tend to disagree, unless that counterpuncher is an extremely unusual one with very high output or extremely destructive power.
In general I think waiting for opportunities to land counterpunches against calzaghe is a ticket to a decision loss, because Calzaghe will keep coming at you and return mutiple shots. His opponent will tend to have less opportunity to counter than he will have requirement to defend, exactly as happened in the Hopkins fight.
My view is that basically the answer is Roy Jones. Someone capable of staying right on the outside and keeping Calzaghe at distance, with better foot and handspeed than Calzaghe would have an excellent chance.
Another option is a simple one, a boxer who can truly hurt calzaghe in the inevitable exchanges, but this is true probably for any boxer.
Yes, I agree, Roy Jones in his prime was probably the best man to beat Joe Calzaghe. Calzaghe is a counterpuncher, so how somebody would come to the conclusion that a counterpuncher would beat him is a mystery? Such an opponent would have to do everything that Calzaghe can do, but do it better. Such an opponent has never been seen in boxing. Roy Jones beat James Toney, another counterpuncher, through the natural style advantage. A fast boxer will usually beat the counterpuncher because the counterpuncher must react off whatever the boxer is doing. Ask any of his opponents, by the time you figure out what Jones was doing, he had already done it!
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Originally posted by j.razor View Postur 43 act ur age, 1st you can throw 5 punches and land all 5 & win if joke-cal-slappy throws 50 & lands 2. 2nd ur bias & finally take joes penis out ur old ass & watch da fight in slow motion wit no volume. oh, & ur an old retart, & i wouldnt doubt it if u were a white boy...
No, you can't throw 5 punches and win a fight. And I do appologize for calling you an idiot before....looking back at your posts, there was really no need.
Now...what the **** does my (or your) skin color have to do with anything? Are you that hung up on what color a fighter (or fan) is? Personally, I don't give a ****, but you apparently do, so there's no point in discussing this, or anything else, any further with you. You've already shown you're racially biased and anything else you talk about will be tainted by that fact.
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The anti-Calzaghe is a prime James Toney. He had the workrate, stamina, power and intelligence to soundly beat Calzaghe. I'd pick him to win by the widest margin. Prime Jones and Hopkins would have too but the perfect style to beat Joe C. belongs to Lights Out.
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I think someone who would try outwork him and lure him into a slug fest would have a good chance. Someone who, when Joe flurries, punch with him and not allow themselves to get outworked. I know a lot of people will disagree with me but I think waiting to counter punch Calzaghe isn't that effective. I also think someone with a good jab that tried to keep him on the outside would do well. Someone with good movement.
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Originally posted by IMDAZED View PostThe anti-Calzaghe is a prime James Toney. He had the workrate, stamina, power and intelligence to soundly beat Calzaghe. I'd pick him to win by the widest margin. Prime Jones and Hopkins would have too but the perfect style to beat Joe C. belongs to Lights Out.
Originally posted by abosworth View PostI think someone who would try outwork him and lure him into a slug fest would have a good chance. Someone who, when Joe flurries, punch with him and not allow themselves to get outworked. I know a lot of people will disagree with me but I think waiting to counter punch Calzaghe isn't that effective. I also think someone with a good jab that tried to keep him on the outside would do well. Someone with good movement.
That probably makes no sense
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his workrate isnt as high with a true elite fighter, with good counterpunching abilities...
Bernard PROVED that, especially at a higher weight class where the guys are bigger, and they punch harder...
your not just gonna go windmilling away at someone who can punch you a lot harder then your used too, and someone who can actually catch you while your throwing...
Joes workrate was one of his lowest in the bernard fight, and that WASNT an off night... that was because he was fighting an elite fighter, who could catch him coming in..
if you goto walk in on someone throwing punches, and all the sudden you get hit directly with a right hand, hard and fast on the nose... your gonna step back for a second... and if it happens again.. your gonna be a little more cautious.. its human nature.
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Originally posted by reedickyaluss View Posthis workrate isnt as high with a true elite fighter, with good counterpunching abilities...
Bernard PROVED that, especially at a higher weight class where the guys are bigger, and they punch harder...
your not just gonna go windmilling away at someone who can punch you a lot harder then your used too, and someone who can actually catch you while your throwing...
Joes workrate was one of his lowest in the bernard fight, and that WASNT an off night... that was because he was fighting an elite fighter, who could catch him coming in..
if you goto walk in on someone throwing punches, and all the sudden you get hit directly with a right hand, hard and fast on the nose... your gonna step back for a second... and if it happens again.. your gonna be a little more cautious.. its human nature.
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