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    #31
    Originally posted by Stickman View Post
    You guys that say counterpunching is the key..I think it's only a part of it. Honestly, whoever beats Calzaghe will probably have to knock him out. I don't think anyone on the planet is going to outwork him (what did he throw against Kessler...over 1000 punches?), and a pure counterpuncher can't outland him because of the angles he gives when he throws...I think it's just going to take someone who's accurate enough, strong enough and fast enough to land that perfect shot and get him shaken, and then finish him off. Jones has the ability, the potential to get the job done, but the chance is very small, in my opinion.





    Now an answer for this guy:



    First...You're an idiot. You can't throw 5 punches during a fight and win it. Second....well, you're an idiot, so never mind.
    And finally, take Hopkins' **** out of your mouth (or ass, or wherever) and actually watch the fight. He didn't do enough to be given more than 4 rounds.
    Oh, and ah....you're an idiot.
    ur 43 act ur age, 1st you can throw 5 punches and land all 5 & win if joke-cal-slappy throws 50 & lands 2. 2nd ur bias & finally take joes penis out ur old ass & watch da fight in slow motion wit no volume. oh, & ur an old retart, & i wouldnt doubt it if u were a white boy...

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      #32
      Originally posted by abadger View Post
      You and a lot of people say a counterpuncher, but I have to say I tend to disagree, unless that counterpuncher is an extremely unusual one with very high output or extremely destructive power.

      In general I think waiting for opportunities to land counterpunches against calzaghe is a ticket to a decision loss, because Calzaghe will keep coming at you and return mutiple shots. His opponent will tend to have less opportunity to counter than he will have requirement to defend, exactly as happened in the Hopkins fight.

      My view is that basically the answer is Roy Jones. Someone capable of staying right on the outside and keeping Calzaghe at distance, with better foot and handspeed than Calzaghe would have an excellent chance.

      Another option is a simple one, a boxer who can truly hurt calzaghe in the inevitable exchanges, but this is true probably for any boxer.


      Yes, I agree, Roy Jones in his prime was probably the best man to beat Joe Calzaghe. Calzaghe is a counterpuncher, so how somebody would come to the conclusion that a counterpuncher would beat him is a mystery? Such an opponent would have to do everything that Calzaghe can do, but do it better. Such an opponent has never been seen in boxing. Roy Jones beat James Toney, another counterpuncher, through the natural style advantage. A fast boxer will usually beat the counterpuncher because the counterpuncher must react off whatever the boxer is doing. Ask any of his opponents, by the time you figure out what Jones was doing, he had already done it!

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        #33
        Originally posted by j.razor View Post
        ur 43 act ur age, 1st you can throw 5 punches and land all 5 & win if joke-cal-slappy throws 50 & lands 2. 2nd ur bias & finally take joes penis out ur old ass & watch da fight in slow motion wit no volume. oh, & ur an old retart, & i wouldnt doubt it if u were a white boy...

        No, you can't throw 5 punches and win a fight. And I do appologize for calling you an idiot before....looking back at your posts, there was really no need.

        Now...what the **** does my (or your) skin color have to do with anything? Are you that hung up on what color a fighter (or fan) is? Personally, I don't give a ****, but you apparently do, so there's no point in discussing this, or anything else, any further with you. You've already shown you're racially biased and anything else you talk about will be tainted by that fact.

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          #34
          The anti-Calzaghe is a prime James Toney. He had the workrate, stamina, power and intelligence to soundly beat Calzaghe. I'd pick him to win by the widest margin. Prime Jones and Hopkins would have too but the perfect style to beat Joe C. belongs to Lights Out.

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            #35
            I think someone who would try outwork him and lure him into a slug fest would have a good chance. Someone who, when Joe flurries, punch with him and not allow themselves to get outworked. I know a lot of people will disagree with me but I think waiting to counter punch Calzaghe isn't that effective. I also think someone with a good jab that tried to keep him on the outside would do well. Someone with good movement.

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              #36
              with god on your side

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                #37
                Originally posted by IMDAZED View Post
                The anti-Calzaghe is a prime James Toney. He had the workrate, stamina, power and intelligence to soundly beat Calzaghe. I'd pick him to win by the widest margin. Prime Jones and Hopkins would have too but the perfect style to beat Joe C. belongs to Lights Out.
                I agree that a Prime Toney would beat Joe, He had all the tools to do it.

                Originally posted by abosworth View Post
                I think someone who would try outwork him and lure him into a slug fest would have a good chance. Someone who, when Joe flurries, punch with him and not allow themselves to get outworked. I know a lot of people will disagree with me but I think waiting to counter punch Calzaghe isn't that effective. I also think someone with a good jab that tried to keep him on the outside would do well. Someone with good movement.
                Calzaghe is mainly open to the right hand, If someone could use their jab to, keep Calzaghe off balance and stop him from throwing flurries, and set up the right hand they could cause trouble. I think moving away is the best way, Walking him down using this strategy doesn't work (See Calzaghe-Kessler), If someone could utilise that plan but moving away and being defensive (See Hopkins-Calzaghe) they should be able to win,

                That probably makes no sense

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                  #38
                  his workrate isnt as high with a true elite fighter, with good counterpunching abilities...

                  Bernard PROVED that, especially at a higher weight class where the guys are bigger, and they punch harder...

                  your not just gonna go windmilling away at someone who can punch you a lot harder then your used too, and someone who can actually catch you while your throwing...

                  Joes workrate was one of his lowest in the bernard fight, and that WASNT an off night... that was because he was fighting an elite fighter, who could catch him coming in..

                  if you goto walk in on someone throwing punches, and all the sudden you get hit directly with a right hand, hard and fast on the nose... your gonna step back for a second... and if it happens again.. your gonna be a little more cautious.. its human nature.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by reedickyaluss View Post
                    his workrate isnt as high with a true elite fighter, with good counterpunching abilities...

                    Bernard PROVED that, especially at a higher weight class where the guys are bigger, and they punch harder...

                    your not just gonna go windmilling away at someone who can punch you a lot harder then your used too, and someone who can actually catch you while your throwing...

                    Joes workrate was one of his lowest in the bernard fight, and that WASNT an off night... that was because he was fighting an elite fighter, who could catch him coming in..

                    if you goto walk in on someone throwing punches, and all the sudden you get hit directly with a right hand, hard and fast on the nose... your gonna step back for a second... and if it happens again.. your gonna be a little more cautious.. its human nature.
                    Joe's numbers were a bit lower than usual because Hopkins kept clinching him. Joe did not stop coming forward and throwing for the entire fight.

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                      #40
                      jab him hard and consistently, let him come to you, counter punch, and work hard on the inside

                      quick and accurate punching is a must

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